Re: Getting better after car hit me.

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On 21 Jan, 22:08, %ste...@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Steve Firth) wrote:
Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How do you I suggest I take responsibility for my own
safety

Open your eyes or a start.

How would that help when a car is coming straight at me? In
my case I had right of way on a main road and the car acted
unlawfully and unexpectedly. The driver claimed he didn't
see me so it was he who needed to open his eyes.

There you go again, ignoring your own safety and ranting on
about being in
the right. Being right doesn't stop you getting hurt or
killed. I'd have
thought you'd have learnt that by now.

But it is always a consolation to know one is right. It was
satisfying to see how contrite and troubled the driver was.

And that was sufficient satisfaction for being hurt was it?

No but it helped.

If you had been taking notice of what was going on around you
you could have
modified your behaviour and avoided the collision and thus
not been hurt.
You would also have save the NHS money and prevented the
staff from suffering an unpleasant experience.

As it is impossible to predict the behaviour of other road
users this would mean not using roads at all, which is too
restrictive.

Total utter and complete bull***. Millions of people drive
around every day
and very successfully manage to predict what another driver is
about to do
and so avoid collisions.

And thousands are involved in collisions every day. Your point?

You've made it for me.

How? When are you ever going to learn to be explicit instead of
evasively cryptic?

You assumed that the car driver was going to follow the rules. He
didn't, you got hurt and yet you continue to assume that everyone
else on the road will comply with your expectations and follow the
rules rather than take responsibility for your own safety and take
note of what people are actually doing and are likely to do. Thus,
you will get hurt again at some point.

You just don't get it do you. If I don't assume most motorists will
follow the rules it would be too scary ever to go out at all or
else I would have to stop every few metres to see what they are
going to do next.

So you're happy to get hurt again?

No way but its a dangerous world and particularly on our roads.

We know there are dangers on the road Doug, many of them caused by people
like you who are so dumb thay can only follow the rule and expect
everyone
else to do so as well. What makes you dangerous is that you can't adapt
to
the situation when someone else makes a mistake. You also overlook the
fact
that there are occasions when you make mistakes and don't follow the
rules
but expect other people to adapt and keep out of your way.

Well I have managed to adapt enough to stay alive for many years as a
vulnerable road user.

So what are you whinging about?

Obviously I am complaining about being blamed by you for being a
victim.


When
using a road one has to assume that other road users will
follow the rules and not kill or injure you.

Wrong again, you should never assume that other drivers will
follow the rules, quite the opposite in fact. I think we're
getting another angle on your car hatred and why you drove a
stonking great 4x4. You're a crap driver
and are scared stiff of them because you are incapable of
thinking about what your doing and taking notice of what others
are doing.

You seem not to understand. If you can't assume that drivers
will follow the rules their behaviour will always be completely
unpredictable so how on earth can you take notice of what they
are about to do?

If the driver who hit you had been following the rules there
wouldn't have been a collision would there? Thus if you expect
everyone else to always follow the rules people get hurt, as you
have done, twice. For that matter we don't know that you were
complying with the rules, we've only got your word for it.

It should be plain by now that I was following the rules.

It's far from clear that you were complying with the rules, there's
no independent confirmation. Howeveer, let's assume that you did
not pass a red light nor did you infringe any other road traffic
law in the lead up to the collision, did that stop you getting
hurt?

Of course not, as a cyclist and ped. I am at the mercy of every
maniac driver on the road.

No, you're not any anyone's mercy. You have to take responsibility
for your own safety.

Explain how it is possible to take responsibility when drivers are
behaving unpredictably.

By watching what's going on around you.

The only way of avoiding the unpredictable is to stay off the roads.
What is the good of watching a car coming straight at you with no time
to move?

Under what circumstances would that happen?

The circumstances where I was recently hit by a car, obviously. Except
that the whole thing happened so fast there was hardly an opportunity
to 'watch'.

Its a miracle I am still alive.

Given your attitude I'd have to agree.

More my luck as a cyclist than attitude.

More luck than your attitude I agree.

So you agree it is down to a matter of luck rather than avoidance?

No. I said more luck than *your* attitude!

You mean my 'attitude' as a victim who is being blamed by you?


Thus there is no way I could have
avoided the collison other than by never going out.

Apart from the one with which you collided, how many other car
drivers were
involved in this collision? If none, then they all managed to
identify what
this errent driver was about to do and kept out of his way.

Wrong again. I was not in a usual tight convoy of cars. There
was a car in front of me and nothing behind me for quite a long
way. The errant driver avoided the car in front of me but
failed to spot me and drove straight into me. As there was
nothing behind me there was no one else to keep out of his way.

Thus proving my point.

Explain, if you can or even want to.

That your blind insistence on demanding priority is what caused you
to get hurt. If you had taken a moment to raise the question in
your own mind as to whether or not he had seen you and accepted the
possibility that he had not then you wouldn't have got hurt.

How can I mind-read every driver I encounter?

No one said anything about reading other people's minds.

I did. How can I anticipate what a driver is going to do without
reading their mind?

By watching their actions and interpreting their likely actions. Have you
never heard of "anticipation"? If a car starts to make a right hand turn
can
you not anticipate that the driver might not have seen you and that you
should take avoinding action?

How? I am cycling forward on a main road normally when suddenly a car,
I assumed to be waiting, suddenly drives straight at me. How can I
know that he didnt see me?

Where does this "suddenly" come from, has the car appeared out of thin air?
Why did you assume he was waiting? If you're going to make assumptions why
assume the best (from your point of view) and not the worst?

Of course you already know this but are pretending not to for effect.
It is normal practice for a driver waiting to turn in front of
oncoming traffic to wait until their way is clear. In my case he
didn't wait.


I take it you have seen the road safety film on TV where a motorist
doesn't see an oncoming motorcyclist. They don't blame the
motorcyclist they blame the motorist. It is most important the
motorists should not be blind in any way. End of story.

Well?

By the sound of it you need to go and learn some roadcraft.

You need to stop trying to excuse dangerous drivers by blaming their
victims.

That's the pathetic attitude that got you hurt. I've made no reference to
apportioning blame. I'm interested in people staying alive and unhurt.
Since
your choice of transport makes you more likely to get hurt than me
perhaps
you should try examining your own actions and how you can avoid getting
hurt
in the future. Once is usually enough for most people. Given that you've
done it more than that you seem to be making a career out of it.

I just don't happen to be protected by a tin box like you.

Another pathetic comment made in a futile effort to deflect responsibility
for your own safety.

My safety on our roads is largely dependent on people driving very
dangerous machines, often at very high speeds, two thirds of whom
routinely break the law on speed limits. I object to the fact that you
are trying to blame me for being run down by a motorist who admitted
to not even seeing me.

BTW I have only just received a form which is part of a police
investigation into the crash, a month and a half late. Still, better
than nothing I suppose.

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