Re: Getting better after car hit me.

Doug wrote:
On 28 Jan, 12:16, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 25 Jan, 09:11, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Doug" <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On 24 Jan, 09:39, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Doug wrote:
On 22 Jan, 10:11, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 21 Jan, 22:08, %ste...@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Steve Firth) wrote:
Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How do you I suggest I take responsibility for my own safety

Open your eyes or a start.

How would that help when a car is coming straight at me? In my
case I had right of way on a main road and the car acted
unlawfully and unexpectedly. The driver claimed he didn't see
me so it was he who needed to open his eyes.

There you go again, ignoring your own safety and ranting on
about being in
the right. Being right doesn't stop you getting hurt or killed.
I'd have
thought you'd have learnt that by now.

But it is always a consolation to know one is right. It was
satisfying to see how contrite and troubled the driver was.

And that was sufficient satisfaction for being hurt was it?

No but it helped.

If you had been taking notice of what was going on around you
you could have
modified your behaviour and avoided the collision and thus not
been hurt.
You would also have save the NHS money and prevented the staff
from suffering an unpleasant experience.

As it is impossible to predict the behaviour of other road users
this would mean not using roads at all, which is too
restrictive.

Total utter and complete bull***. Millions of people drive
around every day
and very successfully manage to predict what another driver is
about to do
and so avoid collisions.

And thousands are involved in collisions every day. Your point?

You've made it for me.

How? When are you ever going to learn to be explicit instead of
evasively cryptic?

You assumed that the car driver was going to follow the rules. He
didn't, you got hurt and yet you continue to assume that everyone
else on the road will comply with your expectations and follow the
rules rather than take responsibility for your own safety and take
note of what people are actually doing and are likely to do. Thus,
you will get hurt again at some point.

You just don't get it do you. If I don't assume most motorists will
follow the rules it would be too scary ever to go out at all or else I
would have to stop every few metres to see what they are going to do
next.

So you're happy to get hurt again?

When
using a road one has to assume that other road users will follow
the rules and not kill or injure you.

Wrong again, you should never assume that other drivers will
follow the rules, quite the opposite in fact. I think we're
getting another angle on your car hatred and why you drove a
stonking great 4x4. You're a crap driver
and are scared stiff of them because you are incapable of
thinking about what your doing and taking notice of what others
are doing.

You seem not to understand. If you can't assume that drivers will
follow the rules their behaviour will always be completely
unpredictable so how on earth can you take notice of what they are
about to do?

If the driver who hit you had been following the rules there
wouldn't have been a collision would there? Thus if you expect
everyone else to always follow the rules people get hurt, as you
have done, twice. For that matter we don't know that you were
complying with the rules, we've only got your word for it.

It should be plain by now that I was following the rules.

It's far from clear that you were complying with the rules, there's
no independent confirmation. Howeveer, let's assume that you did not
pass a red light nor did you infringe any other road traffic law in
the lead up to the collision, did that stop you getting hurt?

Of course not, as a cyclist and ped. I am at the mercy of every maniac
driver on the road.

No, you're not any anyone's mercy. You have to take responsibility for your
own safety.

Its a miracle I am still alive.

Given your attitude I'd have to agree.

Thus there is no way I could have
avoided the collison other than by never going out.

Apart from the one with which you collided, how many other car
drivers were
involved in this collision? If none, then they all managed to
identify what
this errent driver was about to do and kept out of his way.

Wrong again. I was not in a usual tight convoy of cars. There was
a car in front of me and nothing behind me for quite a long way.
The errant driver avoided the car in front of me but failed to
spot me and drove straight into me. As there was nothing behind
me there was no one else to keep out of his way.

Thus proving my point.

Explain, if you can or even want to.

That your blind insistence on demanding priority is what caused you
to get hurt. If you had taken a moment to raise the question in your
own mind as to whether or not he had seen you and accepted the
possibility that he had not then you wouldn't have got hurt.

How can I mind-read every driver I encounter?

No one said anything about reading other people's minds.

By the sound of it you need to go and learn some roadcraft.

As another thread
shows, one is not even safe from dangerous drivers when walking
along a pavement.

Since one isn't safe from dangerous pedestrians either what your
point?

The obvious point is that pedestrians are much less dangerous to
each other in a collision than cars with them, due to the fact
that cars have a very much greater impact force. When are you
finally going to understand this?

How "dangerous" they are in terms of the damage they do isn't the
point. When are *you* going to understand that the vehicle used is
irrelevant, moving objects collide with each other and with
stationary objects. Therefore we need to keep alert to impending
collisions and take avoiding action.

Which applies to everyone, not just the vulnerable victims.

Who said otherwise? As ever, you want to apportion "blame" not deal
with the problem.

What like all the people who crash every day deal with theirs you
mean? The problem can't be dealt with as long as their are dangerous
drivers around. Have you ever watched Police, Camera, Action? Normal
cycling advice is to remain assertive instead of cowering in the
gutter.

If drivers
didn't get out of control, whatever happens to get in their way, and
cause collisions there wouldn't be a problem. They don't have a god
given right to proceed regardless.

Delete "drivers" and replace it with "people" and I'd agree with you.

Nope. It is the control of a dangerous machine we are discussing here,
not people out of control.

Which simply demonstrates your pathetic attitude.


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