Re: Anyone seen this? Truly horrific...

"nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname here>.uk.com> wrote in
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> "Cessna172" <ay.keattch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "nightjar" <nightjar@<insert my surname here>.uk.com> wrote in
>> news:eNudndIdkYeMuF_eRVnyvw@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
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>>>> It was the motorist's fault. He was driving too fast for the
>>>> conditions and lost control of his car. At least, that's what most
>>>> people would say.
>>>
>>> I would say that would depend upon whether he had any indication
>>> prior to the accident that the road was icy.
>>
>> Its winter,
>
> Accepted, but that does not invariably mean that there will be ice
> about.
>
>> the temperature was below freezing
>
> Do you have any evidence that the temperature by 10:00 am was below
> freezing, or, if it was, that the driver knew it? The only information
> in the article is that it had been below freezing during the night.

That fact alone is enough to pay due respect to areas of the road that
could remain freezing at 10am.

>> and it would have been possible to see if the road had been gritted.
>
> It had, but not after the overnight rain. On sections of the road
> where the ice had cleared, it would probably not be possible to tell
> the difference.

If a drivers sees grit on any road on any part of the journey, that
SHOULD be enough information to tell them ice is a possibility somewhere
along the route.

>> Add to that the layout of the road, shadows and moisture observed,
>
> Few people look for those things unless they have encountered the
> problem before.

How stupid is that?

> In an ideal world, everyone would, but in an ideal
> world, the Police would have put up a sign warning ahead of the corner
> and the Council would have sent out a gritting lorry immediately after
> the earlier accident.

I am sure they will, just after the first numpty comes along and spins
out. Just before christmas I left a village with perfectly good grip,
into a country area where the grip seemed a little light. I reduced speed
at the very first bend to test the grip - it was very slippery. Just
around the bend I see two cars in a ditch with bemused looking drivers.

Amazingly stupid and short sighted.


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Cessna172
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