Re: Spam retribution

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Tony Raven wrote:

> > Define "pre-emptive".
>
> Pre-emptive means they will block it before any evidence of sending
> spam has been gathered based on one of the ROKSO's moving in.

AIUI their policy is to blacklist ISPs who host ROKSOs: they don't
blacklist *until* the ROKSOs have actually moved in, so in that sense
they are *not* pre-emptive. Their policy, for that particular list,
doesn't say anything about being based on actual spam reports, so it
makes no sense to discuss whether they blacklist before or after spam
reports are received. I can only repeat that readers need to read and
understand the policy of the list(s) that they intend to use.

> > Your claim that Spamcop "provides an SBL/XBL service" can IMHO
> > only cause confusion.
>
> SBL is a Spam Block List and XBL is an eXploits Block List.

In normal usage of these terms, SBL is *the* Spamhaus Block List, and
XBL is *the* Spamhaus Exploits Block List. Spamcop makes no claim to
be "a" list of either type - it calls itself the SCBL, and its listing
policy is very different from the SBL and XBL lists which you are
attempting, wrongly IMHO, to associate with it.

I say again, your use of the conventionally-accepted names of specific
Spamhaus lists as if those names might denote generic kinds of
antispam block list can IMHO only cause confusion. The accepted
generic term for a DNS-based blocklist is "DNSBL".

> Spamhaus has them separate,

Spamhaus indeed supports two different DNSBL lists, *the* SBL and
*the* XBL. Spamcop supports neither of those: it supports *the* SCBL
list, with a very different listing policy.

> Spamcop combines them into one, the SCBL (SpamCop Block List).
> It[']s still a block list of spam and exploits - what's confusing
> about that?

See above.
.

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