Re: Bhoys and Bears...

In news:1012506171265586139.179258yeah-right.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
Moody Marco <yeah@xxxxxxxxx>
pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
" \\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" <moc.liamG@aynezib> wrote:

Does that qualify him to know for certain that living entities do not
posess
a 'soul'?

No, you just need common sense to
know that...

As an engineer myself, I am familiar with logic, physics, probability and
maths. Common sense doesn't come into it, you can't simplify unknown
quantities into "it can't exist therefore it doesn't exist."

Off on a bit of a tangent here, but consider the following:
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Before we examine the following scene, it is important to understand the
Copenhagen Interpretation and "Schrödinger's Cat". Traditionally accepted,
Copenhagen is a rejection of Newtonian physics [ordinary sense perceptions
and absolute truths]. It rejects rational society's presumption that nature
can be understood in terms of traditional space-and-time realities. We
simply cannot observe something without changing it. Period.

"Schrödinger's Cat" is a paradox that sums-up the differences between the
Copenhagen and Many-Worlds interpretations (Zukav). A cat is placed inside a
box with a device that can release a lethal gas, capable of instantly
killing the cat. A random event determines whether the gas will be released
or not, so there is no way of knowing what happens inside. The box is
sealed, the experiment is activated, and the gas is either released, or not.
The question is: without looking, what has happened inside the box?
Schrödinger's wave equation generates an endlessly proliferating number of
branched realities (Zukav). What you think will happen, does.

According to classical physics, the cat is either dead or alive and all we
have to do is look inside to see which is true. All of the things that could
possibly happen unfold, but once we look in the box (once we observe) only
one possibility actualizes and the others cease to exist (collapse). The
traditionally-accepted Copenhagen Interpretation says that the cat is in a
kind of limbo (represented by a wave function), which contains the
possibility of both life and death. When you look in the box and not before,
one possibility collapses and the other actualizes. The act of observing
changes a system.

But with the Many-Worlds Interpretation, the cat is both alive and dead.
When we look into the box, we split into two branches. In one branch of
reality, the cat is alive and in an alternate branch of reality, the cat is
dead. Both possibilities inhabit simultaneous, non-interacting, equally
"real" worlds
---------------------------------

I'm certainly open to the idea that what we can't see is beyond our
comprehension... it's only in the last several hundred years that we HAVE
come to understand the physicalities of the world around us.

....I don't half waffle on! lol


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