Re: England Summer "Performance Squad"

In message <fv5isa$8mo$1$8300dec7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Andy Walker <anw@xxxxxxxxx> writes
In article <$dHfyKDKDWFIFw0g@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Robert Henderson <philip@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Universities are pretty sympathetic to students who fall ill.
It's not down to "universities" but to the examiners, or
[depending on the organisation of the university] committees set
up for the purpose, or the appeals committees.
Same difference. RH

Not so. Universities are quite different from normal
hierarchical organisations.


Irrelevant to the question. They are the university in this particular sphere. RH

Are you
saying you were not able to take your finals through illness and
Loughborough refused to either grant you a pass degree
Universities are, again IME, curiously reluctant to award
aegrotat degrees [not pass degrees]
Has the same status as a pass degree. RH

Not so. An aegrotat is an unclassified Honours degree,
while a pass degree is classified below third-class Honours.

Which puts it on a par with a pass degree from all practical purposes. RH


Not
that it matters, because whereas pass degrees are common, aegrotats
are *extremely* rare. We did once award a posthumous first that
technically ought to have been an aegrotat.


Tut, tut. RH

[...]
Some regulations insist that standards be attained "at the
first attempt". But even if, as is more usual, students are allowed
to come back, it isn't always possible. By the following year, they
may well have jobs, sometimes in remote parts of the world,
Very few

25% or so, I'd estimate.

Whoooo...your own estimate eh? Absolutely conclusive. RH

and did not apply in Toby's case. RH

Very possibly. But Toby is under no obligation at all to
discuss his personal circumstances in this forum.


He is if he wishes to argue the toss about why he did not complete his degree. RH

and with
employers who may or may not allow them to take several weeks off.
Never heard of statutory holidays? RH

Statutory holidays do not normally encompass three or four
*specific* weeks, plus time off for revision, in January and May in
your first year of full-time employment.

Do the revision in your own time. The exams would only need two weeks holiday at most, taking the days off when the exams arose not as a block. RH

The financial cost may be crippling [time off work to revise and for
the actual exam, travel, fees, accommodation near the university for
several weeks]
Not so crippling as to dissuade a person from trying to get a degree he
has already spent three years of their life studying for. RH

Depends on financial circumstances and on how important the
degree is to their career. Student poverty is a principal reason
these days for giving up on a degree; many students are not in a
position to lose another #2K or so for a piece of paper that is not
[for those already in jobs] going to further their career.

Doing it as I suggested above would mean no loss of pay. RH


. Or, sadly, the illness may not permit.
Not applicable in Toby's case as he was working soon after he left
university. RH

Again, very possibly, tho' we are not, unless he chooses to
tell us, in possession of all the facts in Toby's case. But yours
is not a sufficient argument -- we had a student not long ago with
a stress-related illness who was warned that he risked his life if
he took further exams.

Diddums. During my time at Keele I only knew one student who couldn't take exams and he talked himself into it. There was one fellow who developed what he described as hysterical blindness before his exams. The more balanced of us called it hysterical lack of revision or capacity. RH
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