Re: Size of the universe question ?




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Andy Hewitt wrote:
No_Spam <no_spam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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According to this:

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/bigbang.html

The matter was already there, the Big Bang just caused it to expand.
Ok, I've read that. Far easier than I thought.
What this says (answer 6) is that it's possible the the speed of
expansion can exceed the speed of light !!
In a way I can sort of see that working. If nothing with mass can
move faster than the speed of light it seem only reasonable that that
nothing (having zero mass) CAN move faster than the speed of light...

The way I read it, it only appears to be travelling faster than light.

But it has to be expanding faster than light. The universe is 14 billion
years old, we can detect object as far away as 90+ billion light years.
Even if the rate of expansion was just under the speed of light the
diameter should be no more the 28 billion light years. So no matter where
we where it would be impossible to see object 90 billion ly's away...
And anyway, if an object is 90 billion light years away that implys that
the light has been traveling for 90 billion years, which it plainly can't
have been!


When you talk about objects that ARE 90+ light years away, what do you mean?
We can't see the sun NOW, we can only see the sun that WAS 8 minutes ago.
We can't see the Andromeda galaxy NOW, we can only see the galaxy that WAS
2.2 million year ago.

We don't see Andromeda AS it is - likewise, we don't see it WHERE it is.

Did you read the pages I suggested ?


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