Re: Big Bang Theroist's

"Bud Z" <lzimmerman1@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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|I am an amateur astronomer that believes in Creationism.
| For you that believe in the Big Bang theory, I have a question.
| I would say ninety percent of astronomer's believe in the Big Bang theory,
| so kindly tell me if the Big Bang came from a super-super-super massive
| sphere that exploded. Where and how did this super massive sphere
originate?
| After it exploded according to the theorist's it has expanded 14.7 billion
| LY.
| With the advance in technology, what are you going to tell us when you
| discover galaxies or points of light at 15, 20 and 30 billion LY? That you
| made a mistake in your calculations!
| After the theory of the Big Bang, supposedly starts the theory of
Evolution.
| Let me give you some mathematical facts. For the exact chemicals to
produce
| life to come together at the exact same time would be 46 + 56 zero's to 1.
| I tell you, it takes tremendous faith to believe in the Big Bang and
| Evolution theory than it does in Creationism.
| I would sincerely like some of your thoughts.
|

As I understand it, the "Big Bang" started from ... nothing!

At the instant of the "Big Bang", space, time and matter came into existance
simultaneously. There is no need to postulate an exploding sphere, because
there was nothing for the sphere to explode into. Those TV programmes that
show a blackness with something exploding in it are just plain wrong. Now,
if they started out with blackness, then an all-pervading brilliant white
that slowly faded into blackness and then the first stars and galaxies
appeared, we might be getting somewhere.

The "classical" Big Bang is a super version of creation from the "vacuum".
It can be shown that there is a finite probablilty of any particle appearing
from the vacuum, although this probablility is very low and the more
energetic or massive the particle is, the lower the probability. What
normally happens is that the particles appear in real- and anti- pairs, but
annihilate themselves almost at once. This does not have to happen,
however, and the "Hawking Radiation" that gradually removes the mass and
energy from black holes is a consequence of these particle pairs appearing
with one ending up in the black hole and the other escaping into the real
world.

The chance of all the energy and mass of our universe appearing at random
from nothing is extremely low - but it is greater than zero. That "greater
than zero" makes creation possible and science can tell us this much. What
it cannot tell us, however, is the nature of this creation. And a world
that is created and ordered by God is no more crazy than a world that only
exists if there are sentient beings to observe it, which is what some
aspects of quantum theory state.

Now follow the logic and consider it from your point of view. Thanks to
quantum effects, nothing in the world is certain and everything is possible,
even though most of them are extremely unlikely. The Universe is also set
up in such a way that it is to all intents and purposes impossible for
beings like us to know enough to predict exactly what is going to happen.
We cannot even gain enough information to reliably predict the weather on
our own planet, as a gentleman called Lorenz demonstrated about 60 years
ago. However, we can gain enough information and knowledge to make sense of
our world, search for our destiny and use the laws of "nature" to develop
technology and make civilization.

Science does not - cannot - deny that the Universe was created by a greater
power. It can easily be shown, however, that the Universe has been about
since a lot before 4004 BC. As regards evolution, it is impossible from
where we are to tell whether something that appears to have come about by
chance is completely unguided or has been directed by the will of the
Creator. What determines whether "A" happens or "B" happens? Who can say
whether a particlular sub-atomic particle with a half-life of n seconds will
decay, or what "makes" it do so at any given time? But we can still use
this process to date the rocks under our feet, tell how old a star is or
make a nuclear power station. Blind Evolution versus Intelligent Design is
actually a "dead" argument, either can produce the world we see around us
and on the timescales and order revealed by scientific enquiry. Literal
"Creationism" - the world was created in 6 days at around September in 4004
BC as worked out by some mediaeval bishop - is another matter.

Science does not deny that miracles occur. Oddly enough, it used to, but
since the days of relativity and in particular quantum mechanics, we now
know that anything can happen - the only issue is its probability. And, of
course there are many things which used to be considered miracles, but which
scienctific knowledge now explains. But if someone is cured of cancer, is
it any more or less miraculous whether they are cured by a wonder drug
developed by scientific enquiry or by the laying on of hands by people of
faith? I believe, as do many others, that God gives both these things.

There are many people like myself who are both scientists and religious.
They are not exclusive - they address different facets of the same world.
When I look at pictures from the Hubble telescope and reflect on the amazing
times and distances involved, this says much more to me about the glory of
God than to believe he only created our own local world and in only a short
time period. One must also remember that the creation accounts - there are
at least two - in the Bible date from the Bronze Age and the glory and
wonder of the Universe we now know would have been incomprehensible to the
original readers / hearers. I believe - as do many other Christians - that
the first two chapters of Genesis tell of God's care for his creation - each
"day" he affirms his work is good - and Man's relationship with it. They
are not to be read as a science text book to the exclusion of all further
knowledge - else what was the point of God giving us inquiring minds?

What I see is a world of wonder, set up / created / whatever by a Purpose
far beyond our full understanding. This theme runs through every society
there has ever been on this planet - a secular world with no God is a
largely modern invention. God has set us in a world which is ordered and
has given us the tools to make sense of it and exercise the responsibilities
laid on us as per those first two chapters of Genesis. But, as students of
quantum mechanics have discovered, God has also left himself space to work
miracles without violating the nature of the world he has created. And some
of the efforts I have read of to make sense of the quantum world are more
crazy and harder to believe than any of the "mainstream" religions.
--
- Yokel -
B.Sc. (Hons) Physics/Meteorology (University of Reading 1979)
Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society
Methodist Local Preacher
Elder in the United Reformed Church
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