Re: 5 spiritual ingredients was Re: Burning Times


"Nuala" <nuala-news@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In article <P9iVe.3397$Jp.394080@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Phoenix <Dong@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "Nuala" <nuala-news@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > Phoenix <Dong@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<snip>
>> Inconvenient?.. maybe, but change stirs.. I might be called on to
>> play a
>> small part.
>
> Oh I have *so* earned a right to know the end of my contract.

<smile>.. it's not unusual to have an extension clause..

<snip>
>> Price implies comparative cost of choices.
>
> Ye-es, but to use the word 'cost' implies loss and sacrifice. What
> loss?
> What sacrifice?
>
> What have I missed?

Think about demands, responsibilities and disadvantages that can result
from choice(s).

>> Choice implies decision at fork in road.
>
> How do you have time to make everything a conscious choice? This is
> what I
> was trying, and failing I think, to ask janet. There are so many tiny
> points along the path where one might go this way or another. I
> appreciate
> that not everyone sees them all[1], but, well, some people see more
> than
> others. That's just how life is.
>
> I think I'm inelegantly trying to ask: what value do you put on each
> passing second of your life? What would cause anyone to want to spend
> any
> more time than is strictly[2] necessary thinking about the future when
> they are missing their present?
>
> What have I missed?

Think about the fleeting nature of 'present'.
It is only *the* 'present' for less than milliseconds at a time.
That which surrounds this tiny module is past and potential futures.
I'm suggesting that we rarely experience 'present'; other than memory of
past 'present' and anticipation of future 'presents'.
Memory of past 'present' could be considered our reference library,
anticipation of future 'presents' our planning department.

>> Attachment to the future implies continued acceptance of choice and
>> its
>> price.
> Attachment to the present implies continued acceptance of choice and
> its
> price. Otherwise, refuse to pay the price and choose an alternative.
> No?
>
> Is this a cultural thing?

See above comment.

>> > If we all die, then why should we fear it?
>
>> I don't..
>
> Ni moi non plus.
Eu não falo o francês

<snip>
> Existentialism suggests that all fears are fear of death. I like
> existentialism. I respect it.

I don't believe that, but respect your right to do so.. :-)

<snip>
> Ok, what about this:
>
> 'It all seemed so real that I could hardly imagine that it had ever
> occurred before; and yet each episode came, not as a fresh step in the
> logic of things, but as something expected. It is in such wise that
> memory
> plays its pranks for good or ill; for pleasure or pain; for weal or
> woe.
> It is thus that life is bitter-sweet, and that which has been done
> becomes
> eternal.'

"Out of cheese... melon, melon, melon... redo from start"...?

<snip>
>> Masks? or mistaken perceptions? :-)
>
> Well now.
>
> How to answer..
>
> Whose choice is it if sometimes I wear the mask that others give me?
> What
> would cause me to want to do so? (Or what cause would want me to do
> so?)
> What if the mask just looked interesting, or there was some other
> reason
> like, 'it amused me to do so' or 'because I could'?
>
> Whose mistaken perception is it? Whose mask?

Whose? I suspect responsibility rests with both sides of that
equation..

> Some things are true and some are real, innit?

Yes...

> But really, either are slippy things; if you want to get attached to
> them,
> you do so at your own peril.

Attached?

> I like words. I like to torture words. I have no problem in making
> words
> up if I have to change the way I'm communicating to transfer some
> point or
> other. But language is still a tool, and we forget at our own peril, I
> would say.
> And besides, in order to engage left brain and actually *think* about
> words, we have come out of here and now reality and our other senses
> measure it. A lot of the time when I'm working, I just cannot afford
> to be
> so far behind reality. I have to use something faster. I may not have
> time
> to piss about if the youngster in front of me can only sit and rock.

Reality is that fleeting 'present'... part of my concerns with future
are not wishing to fall behind where reality, ('present'), is concerned.
:-)

<snip>
> Hmmm. How very Sleeping Beauty the conversation has become.

<yawn> :-)

> As long as I can be the dragon and not the Barbie doll[3], I don't
> mind.

Sometimes, it's better to ride than to be..

<snip>
> A faster way to write that IMO is 'crow magic'.

'crow magic'?

<snip>
>> Yes.. "kind of nice". <that's a kind thought>
>
> See, now I have to add to my view of reality that you and Jymn have
> both
> called me 'kind', or words to that effect.

Sorry dear, but that was actually a reference to my "Yes". Not that I'd
want to infer that you aren't a 'kind' person.. :-)

> If I allow that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on how
> reality
> looks to them, then I am also very 'scary'.

On that basis, I'll comment that I don't personally find you 'scary'.

> At some point, labels because useless because I have so many of them
> (though 'scary' comes up at a better than weekly basis, so I guess
> there's
> some mileage to that). This is how I've come to regard labels in a
> very
> Soren Kierkegaard sort of way and decide that actually, they negate
> what
> they try to describe.

I'd agree that they're pretty worthless, other than perhaps saving a
great many descriptive words at times.

> I would say that there *are* patterns in the chaos, but that sometimes
> what is seen is an illusion. It may still be real though.

Chaos is an essential factor in change.. bit like scenary changes
between performances.

<snip>
> I guess you had to be there at the weekend when I told my ghost story.
> This feels like a Live Journal conversation.

hmmm... very bitty.. perhaps trying to go in too many directions at
once.
Maybe we should move towards its conclusion?


> Sorry I've not had the chance to tinyurl it. It has been a busy time,
> and
> isn't slowly up much...

No problem.. I've little interest in controlling minds... other than my
own that is. :-)

>> > However, not to worry. I believe I smell a change in the wind
>> > direction.
>
>> I smell it too.. but suspect that many will eventually gag on its
>> taste.
>
> We can but hope. And I've set myself to find help in that too. <g>

Care to expand on that in a seperate thread?
--
P


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