Re: Ancient sites and bodily sensations

Jani wrote:

"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk.bruere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:3meo2lF16qtpvU2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Jani wrote:


"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <dirk.bruere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:3mc21gF15qtegU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


root wrote:



OTOH, we have dowsing rods and pendulums. Look up "ideomotor response". 


In the case of dowsing, what do you think is 'making the suggestion' in
the ideomotor response, cos I don't know.

Well, since just about anyone can dowse (including me) I'll give you my opinion.
All you have to do is ask a question out loud eg "Does my name have a vowel in it" and your subconscious will answer via the rods or pendulum.

If you're looking for water then the subconscious has access to vastly more info than the conscious mind, including smell, vision, and probably a magnetic sense.


I get the impression that you object to dowsing because it's newage-ish, and attributed vaguely to "magic(k)" ..? My experience of dowsers, as a kid, was very pragmatic - they were people who had a useful ability, like perfect pitch in piano tuners or somesuch, but it was certainly not considered "magical" in the "oh, wow, he's a reeel witch" sense. A scientific explanation for the ability would have been received with interest, but it wouldn't have altered the fact that some people could do it and some couldn't (which was the most important point, for small farmers and market-gardeners mapping out what was under the soil). I was actually quite surprised to find, years later, that dangling crystals over lottery tickets and so on was considered to be the same thing.

As I said elsewhere, almost everyone can do dowsing.
It's the explanations involving 'Mystical Earth Energies' that I have a problem with. OTOH, extracting subliminally input information from the subconscious using the ideomotor response is vastly more plausible.


Well, the people I knew who had the ability to use the subconscious input and formulate it into "here is water" saw it as a natural, rather than a trained, ability, but it was never seen as an ability which was so "special" that you could make a living out of it, that's for sure :) Knowing how to train someone else to do it would have been received rather well, and the jargon of "ideomotor response" would have been considerably more acceptable than the jargon of "mystical earth energies".

I've never had any problem at all teaching people to dowse using L shaped metal rods. They are so sensitive I can often just say "cross!" and the suggestion goes straight into the dowsers subconscious and makes the rods cross over.

What most people don't realise is that you can dowse for *anything*.

FFF
Dirk

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