Re: The Miracle of Iron in the Qur'an

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[Evidence 7: Quran correctly states Iron is not from Earth]

Anyway, let's now jump over to the topic of astronomy. Now, we know that there are many elements in the universe today, or in our planet today - I'm sorry. Scientists today tell us that after studying the element of iron, that iron could not have been created on earth. And not only that, they say iron could not have been even created in our universe. They say that in calculating the energy required to form one atom of iron, it was found to be about four times as much energy of the entire solar system, just to create one atom of energy. Scientists go on to tell us that this kind of energy is not observable in our sun, our planets, in our solar system combined. So, what they are telling us is that iron could not have been formed on earth, neither in our solar system; rather, it should have come from some external source. That is the only place where iron could have come from.

Now, if we look in the Qur'an, we see that the Qur'an actually talks about things which were created on earth. Like, for example, inside chapter thirty-six, verse thirty-six, it says:

"glory be to Him Who has created all the pairs of that which the earth produces,"

and then it goes on to say that the human beings were also created from the earth:

"and Allah has brought you forth from the dust of the earth."

That is chapter seventy-one, verse seventeen. So basically, someone would look at the Qur'an and say "well, yeah, that's reasonable, I mean how else would a man one thousand four hundred years ago - you know, he looks around his surroundings he sees that everything produced comes from the earth: grass grows from the earth, pairs come from the earth, so yeah, that's very natural." But now the Qur'an also talked about where did iron come from. Now, we would assume that the Qur'an would say that iron came from the earth, just like human beings, pairs, just like everything else - like any man would.

Notice what the Qur'an says about iron. Surah seventy-one, verse seventeen:

"and Allah as brought you forth from the dust"

I'm sorry, wrong verse! Chapter fifty-seven, verse twenty-five. Let me read this verse to you. Chapter fifty-seven, verse twenty-five, it says:

"We sent aforetime our apostles with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the balance that men may stand forth in justice."

Now here is the important part I want everyone to pay attention to:

"and We sent down iron."

It says in this verse that God sent down iron to the earth which the meaning is when people study the Qur'an that iron could not be created by the earth; rather God says We sent down iron from (I mispoke, I meant TO, not from)the earth. That is exactly what modern scientists today are telling us - that iron could not be produced by earth. The earth does not possess the type of energy, nor does our solar system, and that is exactly what the Qur'an is stating. Okay, so the question I would like to raise in regards to this is how did the author of the Qur'an even know that certain elements are not from earth? What would ever make him come to that conclusion? A man one thousand four hundred years ago in the desert - if he was the author of the Qur'an, how would he have that type of information?
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[10.59] Say: Tell me what Allah has sent down for you of sustenance, then you make (a part) of it unlawful and (a part) lawful. Say: Has Allah commanded you, or do you forge a lie against Allah?

The muslim before said that their allah is amazing he said about iron and iron did not come from earth. Well would they say sustenance which means food also is not produced on earth? According to this muslim it is not produced on earth since their allah says he has sent it down. Can any one tell me which scientist says that food does not come from earth? This proves koran incorrect in saying the food is sent down it is produced on earth as the muslim claimed before.

"Now, we would assume that the Qur'an would say that iron came from the earth, just like human beings, pairs, just like everything else - like any man would."

Well muslim guy you claim that every thing besides iron came from earth and your allah says it was sent down. So you know your allah lied so we will expect your apostate letter here soon. http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php

[15.21] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures of it, and We do not send it down but in a known measure.

Here their allah sends more things down this again is the lie of islam. The book says it sent every thing down and says it sent iron down than they claim miracle iron is not made on earth. See how not only the early muslims were liars the later ones too.

[40.13] He it is Who shows you His signs and sends down for you sustenance from heaven, and none minds but he who turns (to Him) again and again.

Maybe the muslims can pay some scientist to claim now that food also is sent down and not produced on earth.


[51.33] That we may send down upon them stone of clay,

So muslim can you find a scientist that would claim for you that stone and clay are also not from earth.

Let me just mention some thing here. The muslim didn't post the whole verse. The reason it mentions iron is of course their allahs favorite pastime war and fighting.

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YUSUFALI: We sent aforetime our messengers with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book and the Balance (of Right and Wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, Unseen, Him and His messengers: For Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might (and able to enforce His Will).

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"The Proud Muslim" <sifukamraan_313@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1189833691.046236.66040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Quran seems to imply that the iron was something "sent down" and
not from this earth, an idea not foreign to 20th century science.

Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Quran. In the chapter
known Al-Hadeed, meaning Iron, we are informed:
"And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which
has many uses for mankind..." (Quran 57:25)
The word "anzalna," translated as "sent down" and used for iron in the
verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain
that iron has been given to benefit people. But, when we take into
consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being
physically sent down from the sky, as this word usage had not been
employed in the Quran except literally, like the descending of the
rain or revelation, we realize that this verse implies a very
significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings
have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant
stars in outer space.[1]
Not only the iron on earth, but also the iron in the entire Solar
System, comes from outer space, since the temperature in the Sun is
inadequate for the formation of iron. The sun has a surface
temperature of 6,000 degrees Celsius, and a core temperature of
approximately 20 million degrees. Iron can only be produced in much
larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred
million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a
star, the star can no longer accommodate it, and it eventually
explodes in what is called a "nova" or a "supernova." These explosions
make it possible for iron to be given off into space.[2]
One scientific source provides the following information on this
subject:
"There is also evidence for older supernova events: Enhanced levels of
iron-60 in deep-sea sediments have been interpreted as indications
that a supernova explosion occurred within 90 light-years of the sun
about 5 million years ago. Iron-60 is a radioactive isotope of iron,
formed in supernova explosions, which decays with a half life of 1.5
million years. An enhanced presence of this isotope in a geologic
layer indicates the recent nucleosynthesis of elements nearby in space
and their subsequent transport to the earth (perhaps as part of dust
grains)."[3]
All this shows that iron did not form on the Earth, but was carried
from Supernovas, and was "sent down," as stated in the verse. It is
clear that this fact could not have been known in the 7th century,
when the Quran was revealed. Nevertheless, this fact is related in the
Quran, the Word of God, Who encompasses all things in His infinite
knowledge.
The fact that the verse specifically mentions iron is quite
astounding, considering that these discoveries were made at the end of
the 20th century. In his book Nature's Destiny, the well-known
microbiologist Michael Denton emphasizes the importance of iron:
"Of all the metals there is none more essential to life than iron. It
is the accumulation of iron in the center of a star which triggers a
supernova explosion and the subsequent scattering of the vital atoms
of life throughout the cosmos. It was the drawing by gravity of iron
atoms to the center of the primeval earth that generated the heat
which caused the initial chemical differentiation of the earth, the
outgassing of the early atmosphere, and ultimately the formation of
the hydrosphere. It is molten iron in the center of the earth which,
acting like a gigantic dynamo, generates the earth's magnetic field,
which in turn creates the Van Allen radiation belts that shield the
earth's surface from destructive high-energy-penetrating cosmic
radiation and preserve the crucial ozone layer from cosmic ray
destruction...
"Without the iron atom, there would be no carbon-based life in the
cosmos; no supernovae, no heating of the primitive earth, no
atmosphere or hydrosphere. There would be no protective magnetic
field, no Van Allen radiation belts, no ozone layer, no metal to make
hemoglobin [in human blood], no metal to tame the reactivity of
oxygen, and no oxidative metabolism.
"The intriguing and intimate relationship between life and iron,
between the red color of blood and the dying of some distant star, not
only indicates the relevance of metals to biology but also the
biocentricity of the cosmos..."[4]
This account clearly indicates the importance of the iron atom. The
fact that particular attention is drawn to iron in the Quran also
emphasizes the importance of the element.
Moreover, iron oxide particles were used in a cancer treatment in
recent months and positive developments were observed. A team led by
Dr. Andreas Jordan, at the world famous Charité Hospital in Germany,
succeeded in destroying cancer cells with this new technique developed
for the treatment of cancer-magnetic fluid hyperthermia (high
temperature magnetic liquid). As a result of this technique, first
performed on the 26-year-old Nikolaus H., no new cancer cells were
observed in the patient in the following three months.
This method of treatment can be summarized as follows:
1. A liquid containing iron oxide particles is injected into the
tumour by means of a special syringe. These particles spread
throughout the tumour cells. This liquid consists of thousands of
millions of particles, 1,000 times smaller than the red blood
corpuscles, of iron oxide in 1 cm3 that can easily flow through all
blood vessels. [5]
2. The patient is then placed in a machine with a powerful magnetic
field.
3. This magnetic field, applied externally, begins to set the iron
particles in the tumour in motion. During this time the temperature in
the tumour containing the iron oxide particles rises by up to 45
degrees.
4. In a few minutes the cancer cells, unable to protect themselves
from the heat, are either weakened or destroyed. The tumour may then
be completely eradicated with subsequent chemotherapy.[6]
In this treatment it is only the cancer cells that are affected by the
magnetic field, since only they contain the iron oxide particles. The
spread of this technique is a major development in the treatment of
this potentially lethal disease. Iron has also been found to be a cure
for people suffering from anemia. In the treatment of such a
widespread diseases, the use of the expression "iron in which there
lies great force and which has many uses for mankind" (Quran, 57:25)
in the Quran is particularly noteworthy. Indeed, in that verse, the
Quran may be indicating the benefits of iron even for human health.
(God knows best.)

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