Re: challenge to the christians


<gboraman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1132853344.943231.4170@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
No - you dontmean me harm - but Ive met Christians who get VERY
offended when I air my true thoughts. Its not about individual
religions or thier individual beliefs and practises...

Its about the pathetic, weak minded assumption that the universe was
made with a plan by some thinking entity? Its just nonsense. If
religion was a benign infliuence - fine I would let people be - but its
the most dangerous thing on the planet - setting the human race agaisnt
itself - spreading dangerous lies about our true nature (sorry people -
but science suggest we are a form of evolved ape - nothing else)
And as we ve seen with Bush & Osama - religious teaching can be spun
and twisted to condone the most dispicable acts. Bombing civilians?
Collateral damge? How does a Christian kill without mocking his own
faith?

if there WAS a God I would want a word in his/her/its ear - cos I think
they goofed ...big time.

The world is a mess -and if there is a true creator = they have to take
the blame. Skip the lecture about freedom of choice etc -thats a total
cop out even satan came from heaven! (if you believe the Bible...which
I dont..and yes Ive read it - many times)

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Dear Freethinker,
The idea of a loving, all-powerful God contrasting with the mess the world is in is a big question to ask of people, like me, who believe in such a God. However, can I ask you a question, which is sort of in reverse?
You are an atheist and as such believe that material things are all there are. No spiritual stuff. No God. No absolutes. On what do you base your morals, in that case? I recently bought a book by CS Lewis. May I quote a bit from it?

"My argument against God (back in his days as an atheist/freethinker) was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of "just" and "unjust"? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myslef in such violent reaction against it? A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too - for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happend to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense. Consequently, atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we would never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creaturs with eyes, we would never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.

Alan 

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