Re: The Shack: listen to the author

rasell <marcandmia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> was inspired to say
On 11 Oct, 17:40, Michael J Davis <mjduse...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rasell <marcand...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> was inspired to say

>On 6 Oct, 17:04, Michael J Davis <mjduse...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I enjoyed this broadcast on Premier Radio with William P Young:-

>>http://email.premierchristianmedia.co.uk/premierradiolz//lz.aspx?p1=0...
>> 6S85&p=0&cID=0&cValue=1

>> Mike

>Some people believe the Shack contains theologically dangerous
>material - the immortal soul, which can make people suseptable to
>spiritualism. The Bible speaks of death as a sleep (Eccl. 9:5; John
>11) awoken at the resurrection (1 Thess. 4; 1 Cor. 15) when Jesus
>returns (John 14). Paul says the living will not preceded the dead.

No 'immortal soul'?

Why did Jesus preach to the souls in prison (1 Pet 3:18-20)?

The spirit in prison were the people living before the flood,
imprisoned by sin, whom Christ preached to through Noah.

'Through Noah', that's an interesting idea. How does that work?

Were the souls in Rev 6:10 talking in their sleep?

Sanctuary symbols on earth tend to represent a spiritual truth whereas
ones in heaven are more literal.
This verse can be compared to Abel's blood crying out from the ground
for justice.

Ah, so that's symbolic/metaphor, I see. But when Paul refers to death as *bodily* sleep, that's not metaphor. Are the souls of the faithful dead, awake, or in suspended animation?

When does 'eternal life' begin then, Marc?

It begins now, is interrupted by a dreamless sleep of death, when the
righteous are awoken to see Christ coming to take them to heaven, at
that momement, in the twinkling of an eye as Paul says the mortal puts
on immortality.
52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the
trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will
be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the
imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable
has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with
immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death
has been swallowed up in victory." (1 Cor. 15)

That's all about the state of the body (material part); the mortal part - that which is dead - will be transformed and reunited with the living soul.

This happens at the return of Christ as also affirmed by 1 Thess. 4
which says the dead will not precede the living:
..we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord,
will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep...

As above.

Mike

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