Re: Papal visit: Cardinal Newman's 'miracle cure'
- From: John R <truthseeker55@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:26:26 +0100
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:33:29 +0100, Michael J Davis
John R <truthseeker55@xxxxxxxxx> was inspired to say
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 11:37:42 +0100, Michael J Davis
Kendall Down <kkdown@xxxxxxxxxx> was inspired to say
On 13/09/2010 20:34, Alwyn wrote:
Something obviously happened to this man. Was it a miracle from God? You
As I understand it, he was claiming that it was a miracle from Newman,
No, Ken. However you may understand it, Newman was the intercessor, God
the source of healing.
Where does this stem from? My understanding was that there was only
one mediator between man and God, namely Jesus.
The Catholic (and Orthodox) answer is that the 'saints' i.e. (in this
context) in heaven can and will pray for us, just as I might pray for
you. They are, after all, more 'alive in Christ' than you or I.
true, unless you believe in soul sleep :-) I don't by the way.
But they are only able to do this because of Jesus' victory over sin and
death, Jesus is the mediator, we merely 'intercede' or 'stand in the
Starting with Genesis 20:7, there are plenty of instructions for us to
pray for one another, of course. Try Matt 5:44, Lk 6:28, Acts 8:24, Eph
6:19, Col 1:3, James 5:16, Heb 13:18, as a cross section of examples of
requests for each other.
Of course Christians are to pray for each other. I have always
understood that to mean those still living though, nothing in the
texts quoted suggests those in Heaven praying for you. Can I ask a
question, how is it possible to communicate with them? If your friend
dies, are you able to say to him "Charlie, can you pray to God for
me"? If you ask someone who is now in Heaven to pray for you, how do
you know they have heard your request?
Rev 5:8 and 8:3 show that the prayers of the saints (and I agree that
includes the living) are effective in heaven,
You are assuming that includes people who are in Heaven, I don't (I
could be wrong) There are 215 references to saints in the Bible, I
have looked through quite a few, and they are all referring to those
and Rev 6:9-10 and also 1
Peter 3:19 & 4:6 shows that the dead (in the flesh) are able to respond
This is true, but says nothing about them being able to intercede for
those still living.
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