Re: Quiiting Christianity but not Christ
- From: John R <truthseeker55@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:26:00 +0100
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:01:58 +0100, "Phil"
<philip.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John R wrote:
So the christian who displays little kindness and has a selfish
attitude is put into the goat category and destroyed?
We are not saved by works, we are saved by grace through faith which is the
unmerited gift of God.
So the goats are not fellow Christians then, they are the unbelievers?
What about the atheist who feeds the hungry, clothes the naked, and
visits those in prison?
So if someone is a Christian they are already saved, they have
eternal life and none shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand.
Every single little good thing a Christian does is done in the name of
Jesus, since we are in Christ, and is a good deed that God has
prepared for us to do. We need not be aware of our good deeds because
they are the natural outgrowth of the indwelling of the HS.
I agree so far, but shouldn't that involve a renewed mindset, made
possible by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
Take me for example.
I dislike some people, I like other people and I am easily pissed off.
Were I still an atheist then I would be destined for detruction BUT
God has seen fit to save me and fit me for the Kingdom.
PG might be nicer than me, smarter than me, a better parent than me,
an all round good egg and selfless giver to charity but nothing he
does will save him or prevent his destruction, his good deeds are as
filthy rags before God.
If the Bible is to be believed then this is true. But that gives no
excuse for the christian to just carry on regardless as per his/her
unsaved state surely. Are we not changed by the Holy Spirit to put
off our old life of sin and be clothed with the righteousness that is
of God?
"You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. Surely you heard
of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in
Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put
off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new
self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness"
Ephesians 4:20-24 NIV
You think St Peter was a nice guy? A totally marvelous Christian who
never deviated from the straight and narrow?
We all err, of course we do. 1 John is a good example of that. But
there are warnings, like this one.
"If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we
lie and do not live by the truth" 1 John 1:6
I wonder whose actions were more hypocritical, his or those of Mr
Goodge? So is the one saved and the other not because of that?
I really do think you need to settle this privately, once and for all,
with Mr Goodge. You sound bitter about it. Paul says get rid of all
bitterness.
Call a truce and move on. In all honesty Phil some of your posts do
come across as mocking, sneering and uncaring. Is that really being
salt and light to the world around you?
What is it about "saved by grace" that you don't understand? No
Christian will be lost, not one.
What about those who wander off from the faith but commit something
that leads to death? 1 John 5:16
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