Re: BBC's 'The Passion'

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"PG" wrote:

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I agree however that quoting a list like this is counterproductive,
and simply fuels some of the sillier responses some theists come up
with.

I agree that posting a lie that is easily found to be so is
counterproductive, even one that it is hard to find out isnt helpful
is it?

Apart from saying "that list is a load of crap" what non silly
response would you like?

That's fine by me ("that list is a load of crap"). I was however
referring to the nonsense from Roger Pearse, apologies if that wasn't
clear.

However the list isn't entirely "a load of crap", as I've pointed out.
It took me two minutes to tumble on the Martyr quotes, and about five
minutes looking for Egyptian records ref. the resurrection of Horus (of
which I was completely unaware). I haven't looked for anything on any
other name in the list as yet.

The quotes you have used do not make the same point as the poster of the
list. I am sure that you are aware of that?

Yes, thanks. Was that a prerequisite to my adding some extra info in this
thread ? :-)

No but it does little to substantiate the idea that what you added
supports the idea that the list isnt a load of crap. In what way, apart
from the stuff you now say doesnt address the point of the list, have you
pointed out how it isnt a load of crap exactly?

I suppose it depends on how you see crap. After all, manure is highly useful
for making vegetables grow, even if in itself it isn't exactly palatable. So
here it provided food for thought...

This particular list seems to have been established for the main purpose of
undermining the notion of the originality of certain Christian beliefs. It
was kind of inevitable that somewhere therein there would be a name or two
with at least some basis in fact. And that there would be some names
missing, such as those mentioned by Justin Martyr. So somewhat accidentally,
some interesting info has emerged.

It isnt our fault that a fair number (check the web) of your fellow
atheists lack either the intelligence or the integrity to check or
dispute this list.

Yep, there are plenty of people around who suffer from 'belief
syndrome' ;-) who will stop at little to reinforce those beliefs. As
I've pointed out before, I consider them to be in error, whatever side
of the spectrum they stand with respect to belief in gods.

Indeed, I agree that whoever does it needs to stop doing it.

I think Gareth has helped the atheist corner here tremendously, it is
a shame that all the other atheists cannot be more consistent in their
condemnation of falsehood imho.

Yes I agree, although my impression is that he was a little too hasty
in compiling his response, given that about seven minutes of checking
produced results that contradict certain of his findings.

Well no. You have misunderstood what is being said and why. But since
your research wasn't indepth I happilly forgive the error.

Thanks, that is extraordinarily generous of you - if I have indeed
misunderstood. However perhaps Gareth will be able to point out the error
of my ways with a little more substantiation ...

lol Gareth can always do that. He may be a mentat.

:-)

You will not convince us that you have the integrity required to make
you worth listening to by failing to condemn even obvious anti
Christian propoganda.

I have already condemned shabby, superficial research, whatever the
source, as undermining the argument on whatever side. In this case the
websites with an agenda with respect to the atheist position are
equivalent to fundamentalist religious ones. There are considerably
more sensible and well researched ones on the atheist side.

I hope that they are better researched than your stab at it ;-)

7 minutes on the web doesn't constitute research, nor would I ever
consider it as such. Nonetheless the quotes are there for Gareth to
comment on, and whether they suggest that ascension myths do exist for
belief systems predating Christianity... it's no skin off my nose if
Christians or anyone else prefer to believe otherwise!

humour failure?

I'll give my laughter muscles a workout later when someone says something
amusing ... in the meantime ...

pga
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