Re: Do dogs go to heaven?

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In uk.religion.christian on Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:29:58 GMT, "Phil Saunders"
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}Not big on integrity are you?

Why is this not abuse ?

}Or consistency, ah well

And this.

lmao wassup is the nasty theist picking on you?

}> Replace your "so you hold that it is more likely that there is life on
all
}> those other planets" (you putting nonsensical words in my mouth) by ...
}
}Me restating what has been stated.... Of course since integrity isnt
}important to you

This is abuse

awww poor baby

}just carry on saying things that werent what was originally said...

And this is very close

thin skinned chap arent you? do you cry easily too?

}> "So you hold that the evolution of life of some description,
**somewhere
}> else** in the universe other than on Earth, at some point in the
}> ***history of the universe***, is more likely than the existence of a
}> personal creator god along the lines of the Christian deity" ... and
you
}> would be quite correct.
}
}Oh was that what was claimed before? (Clue = No)

Clue - it is a paraphrase I expect. If it is not then please point out
exactly what was said so that the rest of us can see your point.

lmao as if!!!

}> ** Rough estimate of 50 million trillion (50 000 000 000 000 000 000)
}> planets in universe.
}>
}> *** Estimated age of universe of 13.75 billion years. Cellular life
forms
}> on earth are estimated to have first appeared around 4 billion years
ago
}> (our solar system being approx 4.55 billion years old), with complex
}> animals first appearing a 'mere' 550 million years ago.
}
}You do love an estimate

You seem to live in a world that has no estimates or guesses, do you ?

I don't make an argument that x is less likely than y when they are

1) Not related ideas
2) One is a probability based on a guesstimate

}> - on the basis that the first cellular lifeforms evolved on our cooling
}> planet within a 500 million year period following its creation,
}> - given that it took the best part of 450 million years for the Earth's
}> crust to solidify,
}> - for the sake of argument, say first life actually appeared within the
}> first 100 million years after the environment became slightly more
}> hospitable.
}
}Why would that be for the sake of argument?

What is wrong with "for the sake of argument" it seems reasonable to me.

Duh? Really? What you said seems reasonable to you? Crikey there is a
shocker Sherlock!

}> Then let's take a figure of half (probably more really, seeing as the
}> Solar System is relatively young) of the 50 million trillion planets in
}> the universe as being around for 140 X that length of time. That's an
}> average of 70 X.
}>
}> So in this (very) hypothetical situation, that gives 3.5 billion
trillion
}> (3 500 000 000 000 000 000 000) "opportunities" (100 million year
periods)
}> for life to evolve elsewhere in the universe other than Earth. That's
on
}> the basis that life might evolve in a form that does not depend on
}> conditions similar to those on Earth.
}
}So you have now deduced that it is reasonable to argue that on those
earth
}like planets life could have evolved that wasnt dependant on conditions
}similar to those on the earth?

Yes assuming a carbon based life form - it seems entirely reasonable.

Another assumption that seems reasonavble to the one making it. Life is full
of surprises today!

}Of course if earth like planets arent required then how do you estimate
how
}many planets to include as possible life bearers?
}
}lmao

This is unnecessary and I find it offensive when used in a post like the
one you made - you have no interest in debating and are very quick with
the
abuse.

I am quick to laugh at the laughable. Your assumptions hold no weight with
me. Your willingness to support the argument that life on other planets is
more likely than God existing is risable.

}> So whatever your approach there is a reasonable possibility of life
}> elsewhere, imo. Even a creationist might find it a little hard to
accept
}> that his god would have created some 10 million trillion stars and 50
}> million trillion dead planets just to give us a good view.
}
}A reasonable possibility? I love the way you place your faith in such
}things, very amusing. Estimates and might bes. Gosh this scientific
appraoch
}of yours is fascinating

I could explain the process of hypothesis formation, testing etc. but I am
sure that you are well enough aware of how science progresses.

"A reasonable possibility" is a may be? Yes?

How is that possibility of a higher degree of likelihood than the existence
of God exactly? (Which is the argument being made btw)

}Sadly thinking clearly isnt one of your strengths.

Would there, at this point in the discussion, be any point in my
referencing and discussing the Drake Equation with you ?

I don't know, does it in some way iyo support the idea that life on other
planets is more likely than the existence of God?

Stay focused - theres a good fellow

Phil
.

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