Re: False hope of salvation by infant baptism
- From: "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist UK.RC" <broadband[remove]1234@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 08:42:55 GMT
"Steve Cleary" <steve.cleary@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:53:52 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist UK.RC" <broadband[remove]1234@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Mark Goodge" <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
So can
someone ever be assured of salvation,
Not absolutely, until after their final day of Judgement.
Daniel 7:10 "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood
before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."
Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall
awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and
they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the
time
of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book
of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in
the
books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell
delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works."
Amen!
Jeff...
Steve stated.
All of your above scriptures state that there will be a judgement.
This is true. There will be. Your choice of scriptures do not indicate
however, anything about assurance of salvation.
There is no assurance of salvation unless certain criteria are met.
Thus along with the passages you have quoted, the other words of Christ and
the Apostles have to be taken into consideration.
Steve
Consider 1 John 5:11-13: "And this is what God has testified: He hasin Jesus Christ and accepted Him as their personal savior have eternal
given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. So whoever has
God's Son has life; whoever does not have his Son does not have life.
I write this to you who believe in the Son of God, so that you may
know you have eternal life" (NLT). God wants us to know we have
eternal life. These verses clearly share that those who have believed
life. Eternal life is just that -- eternal. Not conditional.
Romans 8:38-39 say, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life,
neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation,
will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ
Jesus our Lord." Nothing can separate a child of God from their
Father.
Jesus tells us personally that He gives us eternal life and nothing..hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10: 27-30).
can take that away: "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and
they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them
to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's
Salvation is a gift of grace. Ephesians 2:8 says, "For it is by grace
you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it
is the gift of God."
Romans 10:13. Let us also be secure in knowing that "Everyone who
calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"
Your view of biblical faith seems to be: Jesus is not God and is
therefore not fully able to save.
I do not where you get that from, certainly not from my posts.
Steve.
Even if He were, you could not have
assurance of that salvation. Am I misrepresenting you, Jeff? If not,
it seems nothing like 1st century traditional apostolic biblical faith
to me.
Because you have omitted the vast array of the other passages that give the
other side of doing our part of achieving the 'free gift' of salvation.
Jeff...
Salvation is 'free', but it is still only given providing certain
conditions are met.
.
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