Re: Original Sin

On Nov 28, 11:42 pm, John Blake <johnremovethisbl...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:45:51 -0800 (PST),DianelosGeorgoudis
[snip]

With only a brief look at Irenaean theodicy it seems that it is just
speculation that life continues somehow after death so that we may
become more like God. Even if this could be demonstrated somehow,
which of course it isn't, [snip]

But it is: Irenaean theodicy is justified by how well it explains our
experience of evil, both moral and natural.

it would not solve the question of why god
should bother with the brief spell we spend on earth in this life,
especially when it is far too short for some to be of any use.

I am not sure how you mean that. Life on Earth for most people is not
short at all for learning virtue, and God "bothers" with us all the
time anyway. Incidentally "God" in the context of any of the great
monotheistic religions is a name, and should therefore be written in
upper case.

[snip]
If the existence of God and Jesus and the crucifixion/ resurrection
were indisputable then your explanations would be meaningful. But all
the ways of looking at the meaning of the story of Jesus are no more
than conjecture to me.

They are conjecture to me too. To believe that the moon is there when
nobody is looking is a conjecture too, and incidentally probably a
false one. For me to believe that you are a conscious being is a
conjecture also. Nothing is "indisputable" except what philosophers
call incorrigible beliefs, such one's own subjective experience.
Beyond that we must reason and try to understand the whole of the
human condition.

Incidentally, "sin" is a misguiding concept. We are meant to become as
perfect as God in heaven is, but in our path towards God we'll often
stumble and fall. But that's a natural part of the process and not
some kind of stain nor evidence of some kind of damage.

How do you know this?

It forms part of the worldview which in my judgment best explains the
whole of my experience of life, indeed explains it far better than
scientific naturalism.
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