Re: The Devils Deception of Christianity

On 23 Mar, 07:44, "Kendall K. Down" <webmas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
In message <1174603643.865963.6...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"nobody" <whena...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am glad you agree that contributions to religion is a personal thing. My
understanding is that zakat is a contribution to religion and is a personal
thing. Does the government enforce zakat, even in Islamic countries?
Zakat is one of the five pillars of Islam it is mandatory.

Yes, but does the government enforce it? For example, the Haj is important
in Islam, but it is not enforced by the government in any country of which I
am aware, nor was it in the past.


Yes some Islamic governments have make payment of Zakat enforceable.
The argument is that the extra money collected will be used t help the
poor.

Though you can't say British taxes are not enforced. My father got
court proceeding letters for forgetting to pay his taxes.


However you are not forthcoming in admitting Islamic taxes are fair
and any religious contributions made by Christians to there religion
is of there own choice.

Until you persuade me that the taxes are fair, I am not going to "admit"
that they are fair.


My previous response showed how you added the religious contributions
to taxes paid to the state.
If your take out religious contributions just as I have done in the
British taxes you would find It is fair.

Not everyone who says this is anti-muslim but there are elements of it
that catch the band wagon the slanders muslims

There's always the bandwagon effect and Christians suffer from it as much as
anyone else.


Yes there is but currently in the main targeted at muslims.

The media has made the terms terrorist and Muslim synonymous.

Incidentally you have failed to mention the reason for this. Israel
was created in 1948. The Arab land was snatched away from them. The
response may be harsh but it is as a result of the Israeli
occupation.

Nonetheless, the armistice that was agreed in 1948 included the provision
that the Jews should be permitted access to the Western Wall. That provision
was ignored by the Jordanian government.

Yes and Isreal is still not complying with UN resultions today. But
the entire western world thinks Muslim countries should adhere to them
like puppets.


Though they have not dismantled the dome of the rock they have dug
under the Al Aqsa mosque which could be very much affecting its
foundations.

I think you are suffering from misinformation here. The Israeli Antiquities
Authority has dug *outside* the Haram on the south and west. Digging
*inside* the Haram (which may have gone under the al-Aqsa mosque) was
carried out by the Waqf, the Muslim authority in charge of the Haram
ash-Sharif. In the opinion of archaeologists, Jewish and non-Jewish, the
action of the Waqf was pure vandalism. Irreplaceable archaeological evidence
has been wantonly destroyed.


I woud have to do my own research on this.

What is essence is happening in Israel is a form of ethnic
cleansing.

I agree.

The founder of Al-Qaida Osama Bin Laden a former USA CIA trained
agent.
Perhaps if Christian countries weren't so happily ready to Muslim
countries there might be even more progress on the amount of churches
allowed in those countries.

He was trained by the CIA as part of the endeavour to help the Afghans drive
the Russians out of their land, which I hope you would agree was a good
thing. As for churches being allowed, even before the Russian invasion
churches were not allowed in Afghanistan.

Yes it was a good thing. But none the less he is there creation.

I was on about overall western interferance within Muslim countries.

And even before that war western policies where biased.


I didn't say that punishment came into place after oil was discovered;
it's an Islamic punishment full stop.
Just like the bible recommends punishment for Adultery to be stoned to
death.

Actually, I personally don't object to adulterers being stoned or otherwise
dealt with. I do have very grave doubts about the justice of Islamic courts,
though. Far too often it is the woman who is punished while the man gets
away without punishment. So long as a woman's testimony is worth less than
that of a man I will continue to hold such doubts.


Like I said before there is a big diffrence between the actual law and
the people that apply it.


What are you trying to say here?
That when Bible says stone the adulterer to death it was a mistake or
added in by someone.

No, I am saying that the command was part of a civil law, not a religious law.

Also when Jesus is asked to pass capital punishment just as Moses had
exercised. He says my kingdom is not of this earth. It is spiritual.

Exactly. That is why Christians do not follow the civil laws given to Israel.

You saying it was never part of the religion is saying t was wrong to
begin with from the start from Judaism.

No, I am not saying it was wrong; I am saying it was a different sort of law
for a different situation, for the situation where the people of God were a
nation.


My interpretation is that is was the law full stop.

God would not make such a law that would only apply inside the holy
state.

In essence then if you want to commit that evil you just need to
travel outside the holy state and do as you please.

But also agree it was also a state law; because the Jews couldn't
really apply there law in states that weren't Jewish, in those other
states they would require adhering to the law of that state.
.

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