Re: URGENT - Please take action now.

Revd. Eric Potts wrote:

That a gaggle of bishops should have the right to speak on legislation
just because of their jobs is a major anachronism that ought to be done
away with;

Probably true (though an interesting alternative would be
to have the HoL largely composed of a variety of similar
groups -- not only leading religious figures but also
leading businesspeople, leading academics, leading artists,
and so on).

that they turn up in force only on occasions like this
indicates that they are misusing the rights they still have.

Really?

Firstly, is there actually any evidence that they turn up
in force only on occasions like this, or is there just
Polly Toynbee's insinuations?

Secondly and more importantly, in what possible sense is it
an abuse if these people turn up more frequently when issues
in which they're interested are being debated?

But what this does also show is that Mike's conspiracy theory about the
timing of the vote is without foundation. It is not the liberals who
have conspired but the religious conservatives.

What it actually shows is that some people say the religious
conservatives have conspired, and other people say the liberals
have conspired. (Well, actually, no one said that "the liberals"
have conspired, and that doesn't seem like a good term for the
people alleged by Mike to have conspired, but never mind.)

I rather suspect that no one has conspired, either to have
the bill passed or to have it rejected.

I might add that I am very, very disappointed (not for the first time)
in Rowan Williams, who made the same puny and false accusation that
Mike and others have made here, accusing those who disagree with them
of not valuing life. It is a cheap and shoddy argument; worse, it is a
lie.

It's only a lie if he doesn't believe it. I'd guess that he
does indeed believe it. Not in the sense that he thinks those
who disagree with him would say "No, of course I don't care
about life" but in the sense that he thinks that they, as a
matter of fact, care less about life as such than he does.
Another way of putting it (if one wanted to spin it the other
way) is that he cares more about *mere* life as opposed to
whether one has a life worth living. I see no lies here, just
differences of perspective.

--
Gareth McCaughan
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