Re: Empirical cult
- From: "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 29 Mar 2006 08:41:57 -0800
Gareth McCaughan wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Gareth wrote -
| What do you understand "the scientific method" to be?
| What do you mean by the word "cult"?
| What do you mean by "intuitive abilities"? On what evidence
| do you base your statement that in the fields you mentioned
| the scientific method is useless or destructive? In what sense
| are astronomy, geology and climatology not experimental?
| (Seems to me rather a lot of experiments are done in all
| three fields.)
... and then proceeded to ignore those questions once again.
Gerald, obviously you aren't under the least obligation to
answer them if you find them ill-conceived or awkward or whatever,
but is it really asking too much to ask you to give me some clue
*why* you won't tell me what you mean by the words you use?
[SNIP: discussion of something that's obviously important to
Gerald, but that doesn't seem to add anything of value to the
discussion I thought we were trying to have.]
Do you clearly understand why Newton's notions and their adherence my
the majority has temporarily ruined the ability to appreceate the
continuity and the great difference between Ptolemaic and Copernican
No; not least because you haven't said *which* of Newton's notions
you find unsatisfactory, nor *why*, nor what you consider to be "the
continuity and the great difference" between P. and C. astronomy.
.sig under construc
I have presented the words of Copernicus and Galileo to the time lapse
footage of the motions of Saturn and Jupiter and now I add Kepler's -
"Copernicus, by attributing a single annual motion to the earth,
entirely rids the planets of these extremely intricate coils [spiris],
leading the individual planets into their respective orbits
[orbitas],quite bare and very nearly circular. In the period of time
shown in the diagram, Mars traverses one and the same orbit as many
times as the 'garlands' [corollas] you see looped towards the
centre, with one extra, making nine times, while at the same time the
Earth repeats its circle sixteen times " KEPLER
Astronomia Nova 1609
A person with the benefit of time lapse footage of Jupiter and Saturn
can now appreceate the faster Earth in an inner orbital circuit
overtaking the slower moving planets in their outer orbital
circuits.Heliocentricity is infered through the forward motion of the
Earth which accounts for the observed motions of the planets seeming to
fall behind periodically as the Earth overtakes them.
If you cannot intutively acknowledge what is correct in matters of
astronomy how can you comment on matters of faith which are far more
intutive in recognising ,living and building up the Christian
Way.Newton tried and failed to fit heliocentricity into his
experimental science of terrestial ballistics by taking the intutive
part out and substituting it with reasoning that looks right but has no
roots in Copernican/Keplerian astronomy nor in Ptolemaic astronomy.
I wonder how many here are honest enough to admit that they never
actually knew how Copernicus worked out how the Earth had orbital and
axial motions,if they do take advantage of contemporary technology such
as the time lapse motions of the planets they could not stomach the
Newtonian misjudgement -
"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,.."
Empiricism is a disease and people like William Blake knew it and a few
hundred years on from Blake the festering sores surface in inferior
intellects as science/religion or creationsim/evolution.
The mental powers by diseases we bind;
But He heals the deaf, the dumb, and the blind.
Whom God has afflicted for secret ends,
He comforts and heals and calls them friends.'
But, when Jesus was crucified,
Then was perfected His galling pride.
In three nights He devour'd His prey,
And still He devours the body of clay;
For dust and clay is the Serpent's meat,
Which never was made for Man to eat.
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