Re: A Question of Voluntary Excommunication.

Debbie wrote: 
On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 07:29:23 +0100, "Kendall K. Down"
<webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


However the old dear took communion every time the vicar came round and as
there is a record saying he or she was baptised into the CofE, the vicar is
asked to do the funeral. Then, two minutes before the service, some person
he's never seen before thrusts a piece of paper into the vicar's hand and
says, "Can you read that?" The vicar looks and sees that it describes the
deceased in unflattering terms.

Would you read it out?

Have you ever heard of family feuds? 


It's not just family feuds: it can simply be different viewpoints on
the facts.   Here's a real-life example, a funeral I attended a few
years ago.

The deceased was a wealthy woman who had eloped while very young with
a milkman, had four children, and then had divorced.   The husband had
been a binge drinker who vanished for days at a time.  Three of the
children were the husband's: the youngest was her lover's.   The
eldest remained in touch with his father, who remarried and became a
publican, after the divorce.  The other children were told that their
father was a no-good drunk who'd never been any use to anyone.
No-one ever mentioned the fact that the youngest child born before the
divorce had a different father, although everyone in the family knew.

When the woman died, her two middle children planned the funeral and
consulted with the vicar.   The sermon included the following:
"She was cruelly abandoned by her good-for-nothing alcoholic husband
who had given her nothing but four children.   She later remarried."

The eldest son had to be held down by his wife and daughter, because
he was so angry that his recently deceased father had been so
slandered without any right of reply.   Well, yes, he did leave
her...when he realised that she was having a long term affair (she
subsequently married the lover some 20 years later).   Yes, he was a
binge drinker: but he was never out of work, and subsequently got his
act together, remarried, raised and provided for a family.

The youngest son almost immediately went public on the identity of his
real father.

It wasn't the vicar's fault - he preached on the information he'd been
given.   It wasn't really the middle children's fault - they merely
gave the vicar the canonical family mythology, the public face of the
clan.   The eldest son had a different view because he'd seen more of
the lead-up to the divorce, and had keep in touch with his father.
The youngest son had a different perspective because his own history
was being denied.   It was a mess, painful, angry and confused.   But
no-one was really culpable, not the vicar or the various family
members.



My Younger Brother died of Cystic Fibrosis, the reason he was so "ANTI" religion was that religion DOOMED him to an early and certain death by opposing life saving genetic research and similarly my father also took this view against religion.

The Vicar was consulted over the eulogy (NOW PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN "WAS CONSULTED") and in typical Christian self righteous fashion the requested eulogy was refused.

At no point did any of the family ask for a Christian funeral in either case, my fathers funeral or my younger brothers and alternatives were not explained nor mentioned by the funeral directors, when asked which religion my father and younger brother were the vfuneral directors were told that they were not really religious, the next question was "WHAT DENOMINATION WERE THEY CHRISTENED IN?" my mother said Church of England and that set the whole religious fest ball rolling.

My Fathers and my Brothers Baptisms DID directly lead to the traversties of their funerals.

There was no DOUBT in the minds of any of my family that neither my Father nor my Younger Brother were religious and both hated religion for condemning my Younger Brother to a lingering and painful death by opposing stem cell research and genetic research under the guise of ethics but in reality because it exposes that religion KILLS.

Those are some of my reasons for hating religion so much, and what happened to my father and my younger brother is just another reason to hate this DEATH CULT called Christianity.

PS thanks for the advice all of you, I am now resigned to a mission to search out the record of my baptism and destroy it and if that involves burning down the church or building in which it resides then so be it, this could easily have been avoided by ammending the record entry stating that I refute Christianity but in typical Christian Arrogance and ignorance they cannot concieve of any body daring to go against their dogma to wish an official record of separation from their hateful and despisable rhetoric.
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