Re: London blasts

[ I'm replying to the post in parts. I only have access to Usenet via
Google and that's not always reliable ]

Paul Dean wrote:

> >>>>It certainly appeared that you asked with your mind already leaning one
> >>>>way
> >>>
> >>>That would be an artifact of your perception.
> >>
> >>I suggest that every interpretation is, unless you think it's possible
> >>to perfectly understand what anyone means by the words they use.
> >
> > Depends what you mean by 'perfectly', naturally enough. Its quite
> > possible, that for an extreme meaning of 'perfectly' that what you say
> > is true - perhaps meanings in our bodies are quantum states which
> > cannot, even in theory, be cloned. The practical outworking of assuming
> > that its not possible would be the same as what's done in practice -
> > use of dialogue ( aka feedback ) to reduce errors of interpretation to
> > managable proportions.
>
> Excellent, carry on.

Why do you consider this approach 'excellent' but not appear to follow
it yourself ? Why would you request that I carry on this approach ?

> The more we reduce the errors in communication,
> the more we reduce interpretations that may only be artifacts.

Such a bizarre usage of 'we' which seems to exclude the writer. Are you
interested in reducing errors in communication, or is it that you are
more interested in making insincere and mocking posts ? If it does turn
out to be the latter, you'll eventually get bored and give up, so its
of no real consequence to me. However to you, its a more serious matter
since 'what goes around, comes around' - its only fair to remind you of
this since you seem to be unaware of the consequences of your
behaviour.

> > I'm using dialogue now to inform you that what
> > 'appears' to be so to you isn't in fact the case - my mind was not
> > 'already leaning one way'. Since you're already prejudiced against my
> > being honest, you'll interpret my words in whatever way you choose to.
>
> So I shouldn't have been expected to know the details of your mind in
> advance, and indeed I can't be expected to know in advance the mind of
> anyone for any statement they make.

Anyone's expectations about this matter are irrelevant. Its true to say
you won't know the details of my mind until you empty yours of its
preconceptions and prejudices.

> In response to this problem, I
> could follow one of two courses

Why do you suggest only _two_ courses of action ?

> a) ask them to clarify every word, and
> then every word in their clarifications, before I dare to make a guess
> (and it would still be somewhat a guess) or b) I could hope for the best
> and jump in with my best first guess. With the first method, every
> discussion would take months and would bore all participants to death;

I agree it would be very boring, I'd not even call it a discussion
myself.

> with the second method, it seems that only a percentage of discussions
> become meaningful. This percentage is, however, quite high and in
> practice is better than having a small number of very long discussions
> with interminable dead-ends; much like trying to solve a maze by a
> method of mapping the entire landscape when your best guess of the route
> through is usually correct.

What criteria are you using to decide that one option is 'better' than
another here ? You haven't made it clear. How do you determine whether
a discussion is meaningful to you ? Do you consider a discussion
'meaningful' if, instead of engaging the subject, you choose to make
ad-hominem remarks about the poster, for instance ? Oh, and what's an
'interminable dead-end' since to me this looks like a contradictory
phrase ?

[ more to follow ]
Richard
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