Re: Hold the deer killers to account

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:21:41 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <a93cf2hjug7q7r5am1sceo7i2h2rt16451@xxxxxxx>,
amacmil304@xxxxxxx writes
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:26:42 +0100, Malcolm
<Malcolm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


In article <vvdbf2dqe20rcbop2sa36v8oukmfgbqgq2@xxxxxxx>, Richard
<buttons@xxxxxxxxxx> writes
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:30:30 +0100, "Bernard"
<bernard.x.ramsden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Nick Mason" <noemail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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It seems that the answer is to increase the cull,
Culling sounds a great idea if it means they then send them to Tescos. I
always enjoy venison.


I get e regular supply from a wee wifie in the Islands. She only
supplies during the game season. I always get steaks frozen (nitrogen
frozen) at the local base to tide me over the summer months. When I
have had to spend time in Glasgow (usually from October to backend of
December I get fresh venison from a shop just of Argyll street at the
Cross. Not cheep but not expensive. The price drops, I'm told during
the main culling season to bargain prices. I've seen it in Sainsburys
but not in Tescos. At least not in the Glasgow area.

I'm fortunate in being able to buy local venison at all times. We bought
a hind for the freezer last spring, prepared by the local butcher into
joints, steaks, sausages, etc. :-)

The landowners who own the hills where the deer are located naturally
believe in managing the numbers by allowing stalking of the stags and by
culling the hinds. The carcasses are dealt with locally and the meat
sold here and off the island. Of course, if Angus had his way, there
would be no shooting and deer numbers would be allowed to increase until
they had so devastated their habitat that large numbers would die from
starvation every year. This, seemingly, is what Angus would like to see
happen. His oft-repeated claim that numbers would come into balance with
their habitat involves the lingering death of thousands of animals over
very many years, by which time their habitat would probably be beyond
recovery as the vegetation would have been removed and the fragile soil
would have eroded for ever from the hills :-(

This is the usual shooters' rubbish. If you're shooting deer to
protect them from starvation why not do the same for other species
like sparrows etc? And the high population of deer is caused by the
stalking industry as you well know.

You as a scientist should know it's not as simple as you try to make
out. And it is undisputable that populations will adjust to their
habitat so if deer were left alone their population would initially
increase but then decrease over time to a balance with their food and
shelter. Like any other mammal.

You are showing off your gross ignorance yet again, Angus.

Not at all, Malcolm.

I am
discussing the available habitat for deer on this island which I know
and you don't. The deer can't go anywhere else if food gets short, they
have to stay and starve.

No Malcolm, it's not as simple as that. There is plenty of food at the
moment and that is reflected in the increased populations. If they
start to eat themselves out of their habitat the weak will die off
first thereby strengthening the gene pool and fecundity will reduce
thereby commencing the natural decline in the population level.

By the time their numbers had come to "a
balance with their food and shelter", the fragile hill habitat of this
island would have been destroyed beyond recovery.

Absolute garbage. Nature sorts itself out. It did so after the ice
ages.

You can't replace soil
that has been eroded through over-grazing, Angus, you are left with bare
rock. And, obviously, though you won't understand this because of your
general ignorance about Scotland's hills, the uplands used by deer are
also home to unique assemblages of plants, invertebrates and birds. Why
should their habitat be allowed to be destroyed just because you don't
want deer to be shot?

You're getting into your Nazi Conservationist mode again; it's always
just under the surface. The control and management of nature for the
benefit of man and the deer population would start to fall long before
the soil disappeared.


You just can't help being a fake, can you , Malcolm.

And here Angus reaches for his comfort blanket - the word "fake" - which
he uses to describe anyone who disagrees with him and by the use of
which he acknowledges that he actually has no answers to the points made
against his claims.

You really have a problem with this because you don't have an argument
against it. The reason they are fakes is that they say they are
conserving the natural environment but in reality they are indulging
in and encouraging environmentally damaging activities which make them
attractive to the general public. They also pump out masses of junk
mail and publications which are environmentally damaging in their
production, distribution and disposal and con the public into thinking
these are environmentally friendly by printing "100% recycled paper".
What a bunch of crooks these people really are!

But it doesn't stop there.

The whole conservation industry is a con from top to bottom!

The Kyoto Protocol scam got over 100 countries including the UK to
sign up to reducing emissions but excluded the emerging economies from
such limitations. Despite signing the commitment and making great
claims about it the UK is importing masses of produce from countries
of the emerging economies, so all that's happening is that we are
"exporting" our environmental so-called responsibilities to the likes
of China. Indeed, in Canada last year a last minute agreement was
manufactured to keep the scam going.

Another example of fake conservation was the RSPB's news release of
February 2005 in which they said "cooking our planet will disrupt and
devastate all life and giving this process the cosy name global
warming only makes it easier for all of us, especially politicians, to
ignore the consequences", yet at the same time they were accepting
pages of world wide travel advertisements in their Birds magazine. Is
there any reason I should not call into question the honesty of these
people and call them fakes? That's exactly what they are!

So Malcolm, wise up to the fact that the whole conservation industry
is bent from the top down and I've yet to see an exception.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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