Re: Pay for your rescue.

On Sun, 21 May 2006 21:52:43 +0100, Bootlaces - the very slow
fellrunner <bootlaces@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

uk.rec.walking
<amacmil304@xxxxxxx>
Sun, 21 May 2006 09:59:15 +0100
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 23:18:43 +0100, Bootlaces - the very slow
fellrunner <bootlaces@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

uk.rec.walking
<amacmil304@xxxxxxx>
Sat, 20 May 2006 22:08:07 +0100
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Yes, but you start of saying "now that". From what I see it is still
under review/discussion, and it isn't certain that it will. It is stil
an "if".

Of course it's an "if". I have never said otherwise - but I think it's
coming.

The opening statement from your starter for 9 ...

"Now that Search and Rescue services are to be privatised"

... would appear to have no doubts or ifs or an expression of personal
opinion. <shrug>


From all reports I have read and heard that would appear to be the
case.

The fee could also cover all for SAR.

Beachcombing? Off-road biking?


Perhaps both.

Should general medical emergencies be charged if they end up being
transported in a Forces helicopter?

Not at all.

I thought you said you wasn't discriminating?

I'm not. The NHS should pick up the bill for normal emergencies but
not for SAR.

So you think the forces should x-charge the NHS? Is that a slight
movement of goalposts I detect

Not at all.

Your opinion.


Countering your opinion.

So if the helicopter isn't being used to search it should be billable to
the NHS?

I think I have gone over this before :-(

Things have to chewed over otherwise there is always doubt.


They have been well chewed and I'm not going to go over points
endlessly.

Chewing continues until the act of swallowing or spitting.

Se my previous post about day to day emergencies.

Please give a reference to the post - there are so many.


Someone said to me " do your own research". I think you should look it
up yourself. As you say there are so many.

The research you inquired of me related to something that I had not
personally posted. Do you so easily forget what you have posted?

I don't remember them word for word so I leave it to others to
research if they so wish.




P.S. why did you start a detached subthread?

To highlight the Swiss SAR and not to have is lost in your sea of
confusion.

What sea of confusion? I see that you steer clear of some observations.

Not at all. I have covered most aspects of the issue, if not all.

Hardly. I see the surface as barely scratched.

You obviously don't have a great depth of understanding :-))


Do the French charge for S&R?

I believe that in some circumstances they do. I think the local
community can charge if the order a SAR but in some circumstances the
government do it for free. It is presently under review.


Surprisingly(?) the US do not appear to do so.


They'll probably add it to the hospital charges.


Is there not an international agreement relating to marine S&R?
Obviously the Swiss would have no immediate interest in this...


Possibly.


Would it be OK to bring other Swissness things into this discussion just
to demonstrate the diversity of how the same issues are addressed
differently?

If it is on topic and to do with .

Why restricted to "privately provided SAR"?


Because this was the subject of the first post.



Have you 'discussed' this on other newsgroups?

No.

Why not?


See below.




I see that you explictly
mention sailing in your original post, but you seem to be steering clear
or discussing it on relevant groups. Why? Just interested...

Haven't the time to answer countless posts from those who don't want
to pay. And in sailing there would probably be a way of slightly
increasing their insurance to pay for SAR.

The way I see it is that it isn't necessarily "those who don't want to
pay" - more like those that have not seen a sufficiently strong case in
support of a change.

The strong case is the use of costly helicopters.


Angus Macmillan
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