Re: I'm sure I shall regret this.............

Ron(UK) said:
Richard Robinson wrote:
Ron(UK) said:
Richard Robinson wrote:

I had a very annoying conversation a few months back, with a bloke who's
set up a local website (not Ron, for those who are watching closely).
Not a bad idea, could be useful, but. It's all "designed", with areas
having a black background, and other areas where black is used for the
text of links. And they don't fit together right, so they're both
happening at the same time. Wherever there ought to be a link, it's
invisible.
...
It IS a rather fussy website, but I guess it
serves it`s purpose well

Not here it doesn't, because it's nigh-on ^&*(ing illegible. Sometimes I
can see useful things in it, sometimes they're all jumbledup and
overwriting each other, or using the same colours for text and for
background. And I suppose I mentioned it because I'd _like_ to be able
to see it, it is a good idea.

What browser are you trying to view it with, it works fine for me in
Firefox and Opera, albeit a bit eye strainey with all those colours
going on.

The usual free suspects. Mozillaa, FireFox, Opera, Konqueror.

Do you have any theories as to why you seeit as you do?

I just had a look, things keep changing, the colours are different now.
Um. I see a square in the middle of the browser, with the background
image (which I could do without, but never mind that. Not as bad as it
was to start with, at least); I get the impression it's supposed to fill
the whole browser window, but it doesn't, outside it the text carries on
down, overwiting what seems intended to be the footer. Actually, it's
not quite as bad to look at, this time round. Maybe brand-new versions
of browsers here have helped (which shades into "blame the consumer",
again. Not everybody updates their browsers every few months) ...

I had a look into the source before I talked with him. Not easy to read,
but seems to hard-code lots of numbers for where things should be, as
numbers of pixels, I think. And, since things aren't where they should
be ... I dunno, one possibility would be if some aspects of it assume a
certain (incorrect here) number of pixels per inch, while other aspects
don't. But, given that he doesn't seem to appreciate bug reports or give
any impression of being likely to act on them, it's not really worth
debugging it, to be honest. I have a large choice of things I could
chase up that would hurt my head, this doesn't look like a
pbfg-rssrpgvir one.

It probably doesn't help that I'm colour-blind, either.


It`s certainly made updating mine a lot easier ;)

Yes, I can imagine. It's odd, isn't it ? You'd think there ought to be
some way of having a list of Everything That's Happening. But if there
is, no-one seems to know of it. (In a properly-designed world, I'd
suggest this is one of the things a Tourist Info office might be for. Ho
hum).

The probelm s gathering the info, most venue/pub owners CBA to email
their weekly gig lists, We are indebted to Nonie and Tony for their hard
work in visiting all those splendid establishments and being force to
partake of the brown liquid for our convenience. I totally unashamedly
purloin their hard work for my own site.

Indeed, they're heroes. Such self-sacrifice, it must be terrible for
them. And long may they keep it up (because given that the landlords
CBA, as I tend to hear from elsewhere too, if they ever get ill or go
away or otherwise can't do it, it'll all start going wrong).


Our Tourist Information barely know what`s going on in the same building
as them, never mind what`s-on in 'the big city©'

I'm a great fan of Tourist Infos, in theory. Just pretend I'm a
foreigner (which is okay, my voice says I obviously am) and Enquire
Within Upon Everything.

Even a carp website is better'n no website

Well, okay, I'm a nitpicking perfectionist. But, I'd look at it a lot
more often if I was sure I was going to be able to actually read it
without spending five minutes squinting at it from 6" away.


Maybe that _is_ what I'm missing. Disposable websites.


It Just Jbexeth. Nowt fancy to get in the way of doing what it's
supposed to. Easy to use. (My Leeds tunes website is equally ancient.
The html was last overhauled to make use of tables, when they became
available).

I use tables and frames tho I was 'ticked off' by a certain Mr Gaughan
regarding use of the latter as he says they are the very devils work and
are to be eschewed - too late now of course.

*grin* He does it with such style, though ...

I'm (vaguely) considering using frames, actually. Never done it before.


Ah, okay, a disrecommendation. This waste-of-the-poor-sod's-jbex website
has headers claiming it was molished with Serif WebPlus 9.0.1b. So be
warned. If you use this, from a 'I don't want to understand any of this,
but it gives me some easy buttons to push and it looks okay here' POV,
you can't count on it producing stuff that's okay for your potential
readers.

I suspect that part of the problem is that given many buttons to push,
many website builders can`t resist pushing them?

Well, yeah. Thus, the provision of buttons is a great responsibility.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html
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