Re: Castroted
- From: Don Stockbauer <donstockbauer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:53:47 -0800 (PST)
On Feb 26, 4:09 am, Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of
Divine Intervention.<x{yz}enophi...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:55:08 -0800 (PST), Don Stockbauer
<donstockba...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 25, 11:59 am, Countess-Palatine Blackberry the Perplexed of
Divine Intervention.<x{yz}enophi...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here! Maybe The Boy isn't quite as briwyant as I thought. He just told
me he has trouble getting his mind around Russell's Paradox.
Tex said:
Wiki has a nice write-up.
It has its basis in self-reference, the favorite subject of Douglas
Hofstadter.
Seems to me that in real life such problems are avoided through
heuristics. In mathematics, they are true paradoxes.
I read the article and The Boy had already explained it to me in the
terms mentioned in the article. What he has trouble with is "getting"
it, or absorbing it into his thought processes, or something I don't
know how to describe.
Having read the article, I knew exactly what he meant, (because it's
difficult to get to my age and not have discovered this paradox, even
though I didn't know who had described it) and I have the same
difficulty. It seems to want to slide about in one's mind so that one
can't examine it properly.
Or something.
Tex said:
Maybe one way to get something of a handle on Russell's paradox is to
look at more simple ones that do the same thing. The artcle metions
the "Barber's paradox". There is a barber in a village (of all men)
who shaves every man who doesnt shave himself. Who shaves the barber.
I suppose at heart it's really just (A and NOT A), your basic
contradiction.
The Robin Craig article - basically, self-ref gives us all these
capabilities but can have drawbacks. It's like feedback. You can do
all kinds of wonderful command and control with it,but it also allows
you to stick a microphone up against your speakers and blow them out.
Maybe the same effect is we have both good and evil in the world.
.
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