Re: New trojan threat (Windows only)

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from Jamie Hart <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxx> contains these words:
> Bernard Peek <bap$@shrdlu.com> wrote in news:JLXzpAEae7vDFw$O@xxxxxxxxxx:
> > In message <313030303230303843BF029B48@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Rusty Hinge
> > 2 <rusty.hinge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
> >>
> >>I think Ubantu is a cut-down Debian too, or at least, developed directly
> >>from it.
> >
> > It is. And it seems to do pretty much everything I need in a Linux
> > distro. I'd like to know whether there's any reason why I should
> > investigate Debian as an alternative to Ubuntu. I would be interested in
> > hearing from anyone who has already switched, or at least has
> > investigated Debian more thoroughly than I have.
> >
> Absolutely none, everything that is available in Debian is available in
> Ubuntu - and the hardware detection is better too.

> BTW, I've got a stack of Ubuntu CDs (Normal and x86-64) on my desk if
> anyone wants to give it a try.

I said I'd ask about Ubantu and its relationship with Debian, and here
are the replies, perfickly melded into a single screed.

Authors: Paul Martin (Debian developer) and *** Georgeson (user)


Anthony Anson wrote:

> Apart from speed, *IS* there any advantage in running (say) an installed
> Sarge over running Knoppix, Gnoppix, Ubantu or Kubantu from live CD and
> loading the apps you want on a HD?

Paul Martin replied:

Ubuntu is a Debian derivitive. I'm told it's very nice. It's not
stripped down, but rather beefed-up. Much of the developments by Ubuntu
get fed back to Debian itself.

The disadvantage of running off a live CD is the speed (or lack of it).
Applications have to be loaded off the CD or DVD and uncompressed
before they're executed. This is very slow compared with running
directly off the hard drive.


Bernard Peek wrote:

>>> I'm quite happily using Ubuntu, I'm not sure what I would gain from
>>> switching to vanilla Debian.
>>
I replied:

>>I think Ubantu is a cut-down Debian too, or at least, developed directly
>>from it.

Bernard Peek wrote:
>
> It is. And it seems to do pretty much everything I need in a Linux
> distro. I'd like to know whether there's any reason why I should
> investigate Debian as an alternative to Ubuntu. I would be interested in
> hearing from anyone who has already switched, or at least has
> investigated Debian more thoroughly than I have.

It's not either/or. The conventional approach seems to be to install
Ubuntu and update from the Debian archives with aptitude/apt-get, you do
want security updates at least don't you? AIUI Ubuntu is effectively a
snapshot of a subset of Debian, out-of-dateness depending on the age of
the CD, with added friendly installer.

I asked:

> Apart from speed, *IS* there any advantage in running (say) an installed
> Sarge over running Knoppix, Gnoppix, Ubantu or Kubantu from live CD and
> loading the apps you want on a HD?

*** Georgeson replied:

I'm not sure how this works. I assume you would need to manually mount the
HD partition where you install the apps[1], a CD won't do it for you, and
it will probably expect to find apps installed in /usr/[something]; /usr
is on the CD and you can't create a symlink on the CD to point to the HD
partition. Maybe they provide some way round that.

[1] When I wanted to mount an HD partition from Knoppix it told me that
only root could do that (normal, if you don't have the 'user' flag in the
fstab) but it let me in as root without a password. Oooooops.

End

HTH

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