Re: LEZ London

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:52:30 -0000, "chris.5th" <chris.5th@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On 8 Jun, 17:13, Ewan Scott <ewansc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:30:43 -0700, SL_wimble...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 7 Jun, 16:36, "Alan" <alan.lu...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"chris.5th" <chris....@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

good old ken livingstone

NB! all of greater london! FFS

yep fraid so ------ good ere innit

I'm in favour. Many of our Group's kids are asthmatic, more than one
of them severely enough to have been hospitalised. If these rules help
with that then Go Ken.

I sort of agree, but have reservations as i have an old vehicle which
the environmentalists will eventually get around to trying to ban from
the roads.

Most of the vehicles affected will be from big firms that can easily
absorb the cost of making the vehicles less polluting. I don't see why
their interests should outweight those of residents. It's a shame that
this causes a knock-on problem for local groups like ours. Maybe a
slightly increased cost for commercial operators, to provide grants
for charity-owned vehicles would have been a good idea...

Actually, it won't affect large fleets because their turnaround on
vehicles is relatively high. They tend to lease vehicles and by the
time the vehicle gets to five years of age it is generally beyond
economic use for them.

So this is likely to affect second users, which tend to be middle
sized and small businesses - local private hire firms etc.

So if there is a real impact, and I suspect that there won't be for
most businesses, it will be that there will be a vacuum at the bottom
to mid market that the large fleets don't want to cover. That being
the case, those who invest will be able to capture market share and
things carry on as normal. Those who don't invest will take their
pollution elsewhere - which is really a reflection of government
policy on pollution, send our waste to Africa and South America, ship
our polluting industries to China and we can say that we are lean,
clean and green because we can't see the pollution we create
remotely...

As far as we are concerned.Well, do we want to be seen to be shuttling
kids about in beaten up old minibuses or do we want to offer a shiny
new clean service? Which is better in the long run for us?

Ewan Scott

can you afford shiny new minibuses??? We do well to borrow another
group's well servived and maintained but beaten up old LDV.

No, but if those who do are driven to use better, then there is a
positive.

and your old vehicle... how much more environmentally friendly is a
limited life span prius compared to a scout leaders twice round the
clock old volvo, landy etc? which runs and runs. there is huge
environmental impact in the building and destroying of new and old
cars.

Indeed, but the mileage these minibuses can do is well beyong what
most of us will do in our older cars (or not so old).

Ewan Scott
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