Re: Another Scouting myth?


"Ewan Scott" <ewanscott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 18 Apr 2007 15:42:47 -0700, Andy B <baynesa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 18 Apr, 23:10, Tim Hall <timh...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just back from a District Scouters' meeting, where we were told that
"Camping on commercial sites is not permitted unless the area is
segregated from the public."

This sounded unlikely to me, but I didn't argue the toss, or ask for
the line in POR where it says so, as it was quarter past nine and I
hadn't had my dinner. And the item before that in the meeting was the
approval of my Nights Away Permit, so possibly a bit early to rock the
boat.

However, having got home, scoffed a pork chop and mashed potatoes and
read POR, I can't find anything saying this. The only reference to
comercial sites and Nights Away I can find is to say the host DC must
be informed 14 days before.

Does anyone know different?

Tim

Yes, they're right. And no, they're not...

Depends on the area - http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/direct/campsite/prohib/
has all the gory details...

I just looked at this list for the first time and I'm amazed at the
apparent arbritrariness of the exclusions.

There is that old dictatorial theme running through some of the
exclusions, they are excluded, no questions, just excluded.

It would be helpful to know why they are excluded - For example, the
whole of the Trossachs from the East shore of Loch Lomond, to
Crianlarich, Killin, Dunblane and Drymen is excluded - why?

There are campsites within that area - and I am pretty sure that I've
seen Scouts at Strathyre. And if the landowner, say Moray Estates,
say that they are happy to allow you to camp on the side of Ben Ledi,
for a weekend, then what is the reason for the exclusion?

I can understand that certain landowners may have objections and may
ask that they are not approached by being put on a prohibited list.

Some may be excluded because of the proclivities of the landowner -
but in Scotland there seem to be vast tracts of land which have
campsite facilities but which are restricted or forbidden for Scout
use. Seems odd without explanation.

I must admit, that I'd be tempted to use Strathyre campsite because we
could use it as a base for kayaking - but it is apparently in a
forbidden area. I guess there is no camping at the Lochearnhead Scout
centre then?

The thoughts are purely hypothetical as it is unlikely that we would
stray that far nowadays :-)


I cannot speak for various areas of the country and I do believe that in the
past when this list was only available to DCs as opposed to online there
were some reasons given as to why.

I do remember seeing a list that had areas given as forbidden for things
like danger (likely to flood quickly, in an area that has a lot of trouble
with the locals etc). There were others where Scouts had had some fall outs
with land owners either through their own stupidity or other.

As the list is now available to all the reasons for many of them are not
given but based on previous experiences that now may have passed.

In W Yorks Jerusalem Farm is on the list. I do not know where this is other
than Halifax and have no reason why it is on the list but I do know that it
has been there over 20 years.

DaveB
West Yorks


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