Re: Photography in a section meeting
- From: "chris.5th" <chris.5th@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 15 Mar 2007 06:17:51 -0700
On 15 Mar, 12:59, Paul Harris <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In message <1173961458.069407.207...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
graeme.worr...@xxxxxxxxx writes
As part of our pack meeting last night, we made frames for mothers
day. We thought it'd be a good idea if we could include photos of the
YP in them. So I brought my camera and printer, took portrait photos
and printed them off there and then, then gave them to the YP to put
in their frame. Then I deleted the photos.
Then our beaver leader turns up, and tells me that I need written
permission from the parents - 'for all we know you might be a
paedophile'.
Well if she thinks that may be you are a paedophile she should be
worrying about far more than the fact that you have just taken some
portrait photos in front of everyone so that demonstrates her lack of
understanding of what is important. She is of course talking complete
nonsense and clearly doesn't know what she is talking about.
In the end, after she left and I discussed it with the
rest of the cub leadership team, we carried on, and got the parents to
sign their permission at the end. But it seems like a waste of time,
something we didn't need to do, and put a downer on what was a good
night.
I e-mailed the info centre last night and they sent me the photography
briefing note. But it only seems to apply to publicity etc. But even
then, it says permission isn't LEGALLY required (to an extent). And
what we were doing was a lot simpler.
Thoughts?
This might help but it relates more to the DPA than any other
suggestions about ones motives, it is probably what she was really
thinking about though.
New common sense guidance published today by the Information
Commissioner's (2004)
Office (ICO) aims to dispel the myth that data protection prevents
parents from taking photographs of their child and friends at the annual
school nativity play. Photographs taken purely for personal use are
exempt from the Data Protection Act (DPA). This means:
· Parents, friends and family members can take photographs of their
child and friends participating in school activities for the family
album and can film events at school
In the run up to Christmas (2005) the Information Commissioner's
Office (ICO) is dispelling the myth that data protection prevents
parents from taking photographs of their child and friends at the annual
school nativity play. Photographs taken purely for personal use are
exempt from the Data Protection Act. Assistant Commissioner, Jonathan
Bamford, said: "I am pleased to say that parents, friends and family
members can take photographs of their child and friends participating in
school activities for the family album. They can also film events at
school. Fear of breaching the provisions of the Data Protection Act
should not be wrongly used to stop people taking photographs or filming
videos."
In the very small number of circumstances where the Data Protection Act
does apply, if permission is sought by the photographer, this will
usually be enough to ensure compliance.
The Data Protection Act does apply where photographs are taken for
official use by schools and colleges, such as identity passes, and where
these images are stored with personal details such as names.
Data Protection Good Practice Note Taking Photographs in Schools
This Good Practice Guidance is aimed at Local Education Authorities and
those working within schools, colleges and universities. It gives advice
on taking photographs in educational institutions and whether doing so
must comply with the Data Protection Act 1998.
Recommended Good Practice
The Data Protection Act is unlikely to apply in many cases where
photographs are taken in schools and other educational institutions.
Fear of breaching the provisions of the Act should not be wrongly used
to stop people taking photographs or videos which provide many with much
pleasure.
Where the Act does apply, a common sense approach suggests that if the
photographer asks for permission to take a photograph, this will usually
be enough to ensure compliance.
· Photos taken for official school use may be covered by the Act and
pupils and students should be advised why they are being taken.
· Photos taken purely for personal use are exempt from the Act.
Examples
Personal use:
· A parent takes a photograph of their child and some friends taking
part in the school Sports Day to be put in the family photo album. These
images are for personal use and the Data Protection Act does not apply.
· Grandparents are invited to the school nativity play and wish to
video it. These images are for personal use and the Data Protection Act
does not apply.
Official school use:
· Photographs of pupils or students are taken for building passes.
These images are likely to be stored electronically with other personal
data and the terms of the Act will apply.
· A small group of pupils are photographed during a science lesson and
the photo is to be used in the school prospectus. This is unlikely to be
personal data and the Act wouldn't apply.
Media use:
· A photograph is taken by a local newspaper of a school awards
ceremony. As long as the school has agreed to this, and the children
and/or their guardians are aware that photographs of those attending the
ceremony may appear in the newspaper, this will not breach the Act
--
Paul Harris
we never used to bother with permission.
then we started a website and a few leaders suggested that we should
ask for permission and that it should be password protected.
So we now include the following on permission forms:
· Sometimes photos and video images of scouts taking part in
activities are submitted to the local paper, put on display or used
carefully on the group's website. If you have any objections please
indicate that you are not willing for your child's image to be used in
this way by ticking this box. (Please look at the displays in
the hut and the group's website if you are unsure about this.) This
section is not a legal requirement but we will try not to take your
child's photo during scout events if you tick this box.
only one family from 100 ticked this box.
when i sent them a second form... they said it was a mistake and to
ignore it.
(Their son had logged onto the site and left a message complaining
that there ere no pics of him!)
second form looks like this:
Child's Name:_____________________________
To The Parent or Guardian:
You have ticked the "No Photographs" box on the Permission form.
· Sometimes photos and video images of scouts taking part in
activities are submitted to the local paper, put on display or used
carefully on the group's website. If you have any objections please
indicate that you are not willing for your child's image to be used in
this way by ticking this box. (Please look at the displays in
the hut and the group's website if you are unsure about this.) This
section is not a legal requirement but we will try not to take your
child's photo during scout events if you tick this box.
Please would you clarify what you meant?
Local Paper: Very rarely a picture might be submitted to the local
paper. This would be with a caption like: "Bob and Bill receive award
from Mayor" or "Scouts on the water in the County Canoe Race"
If you do not want your child's image used for this tick here:
Display: We put photos on the wall of the hut of scouts taking part in
activities. These pictures are given to the scouts periodically to
take home. They make a nice record of their time in the group.
If you do not want your child's image used for this tick here:
Websites:
http://www.thefifth.org.uk
Does not have photos of children on without specific parental
permission. It is open to all web users.
http://thefifth.smugmug.com
This is our photo-sharing site. It is password protected. To access
any photos of the scouts, you need to enter a password: (Leaders will
tell you what it is and we will change it from time to time)
Once you have put the password in, the computer offers to remember it
so that those who know the password do not have to keep entering it.
You can also choose the computer not to remember it. (If you are on a
public computer).
It contains pictures of the group's events Scouts have been able to
show their parents photos of the stuff they've done the same evening.
We pay an annual fee for the site so it contains no adverts or links
to "dodgy sites".
If you do not want your child's image used for this tick here:
Signed:_______________________________ Date:___________________
Please return this form to your child's leader as soon as possible.
email me if you wanna have a look at the photo site. I'll give you the
password, assuming i recognise you from UKRS
.
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