Re: Alcohol and Explorers, a case study

On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:57:28 +0100, "Knowlege is Powder"
<noyouc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The letter mentioned would appear to have a sub text i.e.. We all know
young
people will drink so lets pretend if asked not to they wont and it will
all
be fine and dandy for everybody at H.Q.

I also very much doubt this would be ok with HQ. Correct me if im wrong
but points 2,4 and 5 DO NOT follow the "young people first" code of
good practice.


Who says, I wouldnt strip search them obvously, theres no need to.

Inspections on camp are important, (Scout / Cub age) the scouts unpack their
bags before inspection and this tells us if they have still got dry clothes
left for the camp (for both reasons).

Anyopne who performs a kit search on any of my Scouts will risk ending
up in court. I've been there with this before. There is no call for
it. We train kids to come to camp equipped, they have a kit list, so
if they come ill-equipped, they only do so once. They learn and they
come with what they need.

I have never sought a kit check, I never will, and I will stand in the
way of anyone who asks my Scouts or Explorers to empty their bags
before them so that they can check and see what they have. It is a
clear breach of Young People First guidance.

I've already had to save the bacon of one Leader who insisted on a kit
inspection for a patrol of girls, and that included laying out their
knickers and bras, and more. I knew as soon as the PLs told me that
the shitr was going to hit the fan, and it did. The thing was, it was
the male PLs who complained about the incident first - the girls
hadn't wanted to make a fuss despite their feeling violated.

So, no. Kit inspection is a definite no no unless a crime has ben
committed and the Police are involved and they have the legal right to
perform a personal search.

Kit inspections are not important, they are an anachronism. We tell
them what to bring, they bring it or they don't. If they don't it is
their problem - we will see that they have missed out kit by their
discomfort, their lack of eating implements, their general condition.
If we are prepared, we can deal with it. Kit inspection is invasive,
militaristic and uncalled for.

"But your honour, I was just checking for contraband alcohol, honest."
Ewan Scott
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