Re: Am I being unreasonable


"Ewan Scott" <ewanscott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >
>> Negotiations have to end sometime and forward progress has to start.
>
> And you seem prepared to take a route that will alienate some.

And if I don't?

> snip
>>
>> I have tried and tried again to meet everyone's needs as much as
>> possible.
>> To be met with a total lack of interest in some places is soul
>> destroying!
>> 'Let's talk about this issue.' Reply: 'No!'. What about this? 'No!' How
>> do
>> you think we could both do this? 'No!' What would you like to see happen?
>> 'Don't care, not interested, we'll do what we want to do and as far as
>> anyone else is concerned we don't care. We are not interested!' Call that
>> negotiation?
>
> No, but there are obviously issues that need to be addessed. In fact they
> sound very gamiliar.

The issue is they do not want me involved.

>>
>> There is a way forward. Some people don't want it. I've tried my best to
>> address the issues. There is but one bus to catch to go forward. It can't
>> wait at the stop for ever. And there isn't another one due!
>
> So what do you do mate? Do you shut them down, or do you allow them to
> thumb
> their own lift and maybe catch up later.

I don't believe there is a maybe.

> The former loses you members -
> something I'm sure we are not in favour of. The latter may be divisive.
> You
> are in an uneviable situation.

You can say that again!

>
>
>>
>> You're missing the point! What I don't want (and neither does it meet our
>> aim) is, for example, one unit led by 2 leaders (with all the necessary
>> skills) doing pioneering with 6 ES, and another unit led by another 2
>> leaders (without the necessary skills) doing pioneering at the same time
>> with another 6 ES barely a couple of miles down the road. That is an
>> extravagant waste of resource!
>
> And if the kids want to do it where they are?

That is a problem.

>
>> > I'd be blowed if a DESC
>> > was going to step into the Unit I was running and approve my programme
> or
>> > tell me what I could or couldn't do.
>>
>> But as GSL, responsible for all aspects of scouting within a Group, you
>> wouldn't step in if you saw one of your sections wasting resources or
> doing
>> things that did not meet the overall aims of the Group?
>
> Shit. That happens all the time. In an ideal world I'd step in and kick
> ass
> till the leader concerned changed direction, but if I do I'm left without
> a
> Leader and I will probably have to end up either helping at that section,
> or
> persuading another leader to double up. Not ideal. Sometimes you have to
> monitor the situation and operate on a minimal damage mode of operation.
> That is what experience tells me, because i know from experience that
> getting heavy and trying to force the issue just leads to a resignation,
> or
> enduring conflict. My aim is conflict resolution alongside gemtle
> motivation.
>
> snip
>
>
> Indeed, but neither is aound your area, yet you keep referring to Must,
> and
> there is only one structure. There de facto, isn't.

Must doesn't apply to everything.

>
>>
>> But I am lifting more than a finger!
>
> yes, and so to do those who don't join in. I feel as irritated by them as
> you do, but the only solution is to remove them unless they play ball, and
> that doesn't help when we have a shortage of Leaders.

Okay.

>
> snip
>
>> >> > snip
>> >> > Would that be apart from your sea Scout Units?:-)
>> >>
>> >> SSUs? Why should they be any different?
>> >
>> > You have stated that they are unhappy.
>>
>> Not here I haven't! :-)
>
> No? Ooops!

No!

>
>>
>> A lot of Groups are happy to work with the ES structure we have.
>
> Others, a lot aren't.

Hmm..
>
>> >
>> > So>
> But the ES provision isn't working either. It's totally FUBAR here, and in
> our surrounding Districts.
>
> Plus ca change.
>

Okay. People like yourself and Tim have persuaded/convinced me that my
approach is wrong, so time for a change. I'll speak to the Groups that want
to run totally independent units - that means units they set up, they
operate, they manage - and sort out an arrangement that they want to see
happen. That is likely to be something along the lines of them operating
parallel, but distinct, to me. Certainly it will remove a problem - me! -
for them. Let's see.

I only hope you're right.

GAGS


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