Re: Another nail in the coffin?


"Stephen Rainsbury" <stephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Karl Pollak wrote:
>
> > There are such immutable laws of nature such as cause and effect.
> > If you allow your Scouts an occassional little waste, they will show
their
> > children much more persistent waste.
>
> I don't know what Canadian children are like but in the UK if something
> is not fun they stop doing it.
>
> Yes you can explain to a 10 year old that he only needs a tiny fire,
> but if its boring he will stop going camping and then you can't teach
> him anything. Somtimes you have to accept a bit of waste, and accept
> that he will learn how to be more econimical when he is a bit older and
> then pass teh message to his children.

I've had kids leave for many reasons, usually they claim that they are
bored. usually they are bored because they fail to turn up regularly and so
have no sense of belonging etc. I have never had anyone leave because they
cooked over a small fire. In fact when we doo cook over many small fires
they appreciate it more since it is "their" fire and the "Dickhead Patrol"
don't screw up their experience, also, the "Dickhead Patrol" realise what
Dickheads they look and so they play the game.

Yes, we accept some waste, but usually it is burnt food, or a fire that
can't be lit (because they forgot to get enough tinder). No we teach them
economy now and they will respect it now and later. Teach them profligacy,
even once in a while and we teach the profigacy forever.


> If he gives up at age 12 he will have nothing to teach.
>
> > from now. It is a certainty that unless we modify our approach to our
> > natural environment, that day WILL come.
>
> Even if we do modify our approach the day will come that we run out,
> all things tend towards enntropy, its simple thermodynamics, but then
> as you pointed out before I don't have any intelligence so how could I
> understand such ideas.

Don't fall into that trap Stephen. The more I read KP the more I can equate
what he says to the tone in which BP wrote. BP used a great many euphemisms
to say the same thing about poor leaders, poor scouts etc.. I'm afraid that
whilst I would never dream of calling you, or Dave Mayall or most anyone
here an idiot (well hardly ever). I tend to agree that only an idiot teaches
others to be profligate with resources, irrspective of the waste timber yard
at the end of the lane at the campsite. One day that will not be there.
Better we conserve and use resources well, and perhaps more importantly,
that we teach others to use them well.

We have just had a rather curious Live8 campaign to persuade the G8 leaders
to slash Third World Debt, yet those in the third world are being urged to
be profligate with their resources in order that we might have more
aluminium, diamonds, and whatever else we require today, with little thought
for the benefits of those same people when the resources run dry - of
course, we will probably then be shipping our waste to them for landfill in
the massive holes they have dug for the West's benefit - In this country we,
for a thousand years simply dumped our waste, now we have run out of holes
to fill, marshes to poison, and we are paying the price for that profligacy.

Usually I tend to try and find common ground with KP and sadly we diverge
and we end up slogging it out to a standstill, this time I'm moving closer
and closer to his point of view on the subject.

We SHOULD be teaching conservation of resources, even in times of plenty.
Joseph saw that thousands of years ago, if the Old Testament is to be
believed. That is a lesson that mankind has forgotten many times over. Time
we learned it again and set our reserves aside for a time of famine.

Me, I've downsized my car, I love driving a 4x4, I used to earn a fair
living writing about them. I love driving off road. But, when I look at the
damage , however temporary, and the sum of each individual set of damage
added together I made a decision to call it a day. I kayak now, yes, in a
plastic boat, however it is 100 per cent recyclable, and will be recycled. I
think we all need to think a little greener, and if making smaller fires and
teaching that is one way, then I would urge all to follow that tried and
tested path.

Ewan Scott


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