Re: How can I do this?


defduk wrote:
|Well, I'm fairly new at this, and I haven't had any formal training -
|I'm more or less self- taught!
|we all have to start somehwre, don't we?

I've not had any formal training either. I've had my ability since I
was around 7yrs old from what I remember, but from age 8 until
I was 30yrs old I supressed it, because no one could tell me how
to control it. I learned to block it out -- and that's where it remained.


I just learned it myself from watching television.
Not the easiest way to learn a skill, biut probably the quickest.
I found james Van Praagh very useful, but John Edwards was no use
because he talks too fast to follow what he is saying.
But I still managed to pick it up pretty well, I think.

He can't, he's dead.
That's why she's been asking me to contact him.
I've been putting it around for a while now that I can communicate with
the dead.
I've been pretty accurate in a few readings, but one or two people have
become suspicious when I've been way off the mark.

No ***! he's dead.. IF you really were a medium you would be
able to contact his spirit and help her properly.

That's what I've been trying to do!
Well, not just to help her, I wouldn't mind boning her too.
Dead husband left her well off.
Quite a few insurance policies, I believe, and she's not the sharpest
tool in the box.
Having said that, I'm still having trouble convincing here that I'm in
communication with her hubby.
She says she's still grieving, but with the kind of dosh he's left her,
I don't know why!

So, lets see how accurate you are.. Who have I lost and when?

Okay, I'll give it a try.....
I think you might have recently lost a pet, am I right?
A dog or a cat?
Quite recently too.
---------------
hmm nope.. none of my animals have ran away for over a year
now, and last animal to pass in the family was over 9yrs ago.
nor have I recently within the past 4yrs lost any family members.

Well, I don't think it was a bad try.
Nine years isn't a very long time - we haven't lost a pet in our family
for the last 15 years!
And notice that I didn't mention any members of your family passing
either - at least I got that right!



I would like to offer her some reassurance of the afterlife,and a few
comforting words from her husband, but what sort of things should I be
telling her?

Validation is a good way.

Validation?
I've heard John Edwards mention that but I'm not sure what it is.
maybe that's why he gets paid lots of money for his act on tv and I
don't. ;-)

LOL! Just about every spirit I've ever been in contact with has offer
some form of validation or whatnot. They'll often show me a special
color that means something to the living person, a name, a date, an item.
Something that allows this person to understand that the person I claim
to be speaking with really exists on the otherside and I'm not full of
bull***
which you appear to be.

Oh, I see, so you think I should mention a colour or a name to her?
Any specific name or particular colour?
(BTW - I appreciate this help!)

I'd have no idea, unless I was in contact with the husband myself. If
you're in contact with him, simply ask him.

Well, that's what I'd like the woman to think I was doing, but how can
I get the right colour or name without research?

I'm sure he'll give you the
answer.

You keep saying that, but I don't quite see how that can be done.
I really don't want to have to do this the hard way, but getting
information from her husband seems to be the hardest way.
Surely it would be much easier to find out some other way?

Ask him what her favorite color is, or ask him what was the
color of their first car together... Ask what her favorite outfit was, or
what her favorite perfume was. *IF* you are in contact, the spirit
will tell you.. might be in a abstract picture of the same color, might
be just hearing the name of a color, might be seeing someone surrounded
in that color.. as for the perfume, you might actually smell it, or see
something associated with that perfume. He might pass an old
commercial for the perfume to you to watch, there are a 1001 ways
for a spirit to show or tell us what they want to get through. So long
as you are in contact with them.

How about if I just mention a few colours to her, say, the most common
colours or the most common types of perfume and see what happens?
I could get a hit the first time, couldn't I?
Ah! - I've just realised something- I don't know why you didn't tell
me!
If I could recognise the perfume that she's wearing, it's probably HIS
favourite perfume too.
This is great!
This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.
Like you say - there are 1001 ways to get the information you want -
thanks for pointing it out to me.
If I wasn't a bit on the slow side I'd have caught on much sooner,
thanks!



I don't want to upset her and I want her to come back for more
readings. (she quite happily pays me £20 a go)

I've never charged for any of my readings no matter how poor I
was that week.

Then how do you make money out of it?
Mind you, to each his own.
I've heard of a few mediums who don't charge people but I couldn't
really figure out why they bother.
What's the point of doing it if youi can't get a bit of cash from it?
Still, to each his own, I suppose.
I suppose that leaves more cash for the rest of us who do charge, so I
shouldn't complain should I?

Well I honestly cannot see how you can make any money
if you can't do what you claim you can do..

I know.
But I am trying hard and I'm getting better at it every day.

How can you be getting better at it every day? Are you going out on
a street corner and giving readings to the passer-bys? What exactly
are you doing to advance your ability?

Talking to people like you helps, and getting more an more ideas about
how to do a psychic reading.
You've just made me reaslise something else too - If I want to know her
husbands favourite colour - all I've giot to do is look around the
house - that colours gotta be there somewhere, right?
Doh!
I wish I was as good at this as yourself and some other people here.
Maybe one day- like I say - I'm getting there.

Feel free to keep trying to give me a reading. Concentrate on the
person you're trying to pick up on, and you should be able to get
something.. Trust me lol I've 2001 things going on in my mind at once
usually, so it shouldnt be hard for something to pop out at you.

Have you recently crossed water, or visited a foreign country?
I sense that you have suffered a recent disappointment, or someone has
let you down, either at home or work.
Am I right?


Then again there is a
sucker born every minute! Guess you found a few.

Just the one at the moment, unfortunately.



Is there any way I could find out a few personal details about her
husband, preferably from the internet?

Blink!

Well, that's not so unusual - you can get a wealth of information about
pepole from the internet these days.

LOL, yeah but REAL mediums don't need such common ways -- and
sure anyone can find something, but a REAL medium doesn't need to
they can ask the spirit themselves..

Yes, I know all about that, but how do you convince the customer that
it is a rREAL message from the dead person, that's what I'm asking, but
you all seem reluctant to tell me.
I can understand why.
If I knew how to make a lot of cash I wouldn't tell anyone anything
either, but there must be a few tips and pointers you could give me?
I really am desperate to make a go of this psychic thing - I've never
been able to hold down a proper job before.

see below at the end



I was thinking along the lines of looking at some email of his, or
perhaps even some newsgroups he had posted to to find out what he was
interested in before he died.

Hmm what's wrong with just asking him?

He's DEAD!
Doh!
Are you sure you're really a psychic?
You're not one of those sceptics, are you?

LMAO, I'm definately MORE psychic then you are honey!

Well, I suppose you are, if you've been doing it longer than me you'd
know all of the tricks of the trade by now.
Don't forget - you were a beginner at one time like me - I'm sure you
would have appreciated a few kind words of advice yourself.

----
OH! I'm far FAR FAR from knowing any tricks of the trade.. I cannot
even find anyone myself to help me learn..

That's the problem I'm having too.
Everyone seems a little reluctant to pass on any tips.
It's a bit of a closed shop, this psychic business, isn't it? ;-)


Be a cold day in hell before
I PAY someone to "teach" me what comes naturally.

I don't blame you.
Still, I've heard there are a few good courses out there.
Might be worth a try.

I basically kept
my mouth shut about this stuff, until one day I couldn't ignore the dang
spirit that had been bugging the hell outta me for close to a month, day
in day out.. Then again, didn't help any that she was an 11yr old girl
who'd been trying for 19yrs to get ahold of a person..

Your cusotmer was an 11 year old girl?
Did she have any money to pay for the readings?


Yep, I'm a sceptic.. I hate shills that take good saddened folks
for a ride..

Well, actually, I oook upon it as providing a service, rather like a
kissogram or something.
That probably sounds a little strange to you, but why should my
customers care if they're getting the real thing _ I tell them what
they want to hear, don't I?
Do you think I should ask them beforehand what they would really like
to hear?
Is THAT the way it's done?
------------

To me, I just will NOT tell them what they want to hear..

That doesn't sound like a good business practice.
The customer is always right!
That's my motto.

That isn't
up to me -- I go soley upon whatever information the spirit sends to
me. If I don't get anything, then I tell them, I don't get anything --
sadly, sometimes it's true.. I just don't pick up on the spirit they wish
to contact..

Tell me about it.
I have that problem all of the time.

Then you have to tell them.. I usually will give the person
however long it takes them to "believe" that I'm speaking to their
dearly departed before I ask them to pay a fee. This way, I'm not
begging for money up front, and they know what I can do, because
the information I give them ONLY they and the person that's past
would know.. There is your validation session. -- Depending upon
the living and how open minded they are, is often I've found how
long the validation process takes. Someone who's closed minded,
might simply refuse to believe period... I had one living who did that
pissed the spirit off to no end lol and they set their printer off, just
printing nothing.. but was printing.. he wanted to be known he was
there..

I'm always amazed at how familiar the deceased are with modern
technology!
Threy are always mucking about with televisions and computers aren't
they/
Even if they hadn't been invented when they were alive.
My dear old Gran didn't even know how to operate a video recorder when
she was alive, but according to my sister, she's now sending messages
through the Sony Playstation and a lap top.
Amazing!
Maybe they have some kind of IT course on the other side or something!
;-)

At that point, he told me a few more things, such as special
words he used before he past and phrases that only the two of them
could have known.. and that along with the printer was enough to
convience them, I was in contact with the departed.

I like the part about the printer.
What did you do?
Set a delayed print job or something?
I would never have thought of that.
I might try and use that in my readings.



I know that many of you are well experienced in this field, but could
you give me a few tips and hits about extracting the maximum
information from a client before committing myself to any direct
statements to the widow?
I have been stabbing around in the dark for a while now and she is
starting to get a little suspicious.
Any ideas at all would be most gratefully welcomed.


Thank you

Sure, now stop pretending and leave talking to the dead to those
who really can.

You mean you CAN actually talk to dead people?
How does that work?

YES! I can talk to those who are dead.. Have plenty of documented
session to prove what I can do. A snippet below is of a multi-session that
I've been doing with this one person.

I'd like to see that.
A real pro in action!


How it works? LOL well if you were a real medium, you'd be able to know
when someone actually contacts you. -- I don't kiss and tell my secrets..

That's what I thought.


I have no real secrets to tell is why.

Heh ;-)

we
each have our own ways.. Maybe if you read a few more books you'll learn
to shill better. '

Could you recommend any?
I've been reading a lot of stuff.
The most useful book I found was "Shysters, Marks and Dupes" by A.
Tewister.
It's not bad, but it's a little basic.
For example, there is only ONE chapter on cold reading.

I've read ONE book, and that is ALL. Called "The Psychic Workshop" by
Kim Chestney (kimchestney.com) Some things in there I'd experienced, some
were just a bit "far fetched" -- I'm not the meditating type.. So, it didn't
help
me much. -- I got my copy from the local library.



Best of luck

Thank you



Puff says:
you have a hmm kinda large green glass vase on a small round table
someplace
in your house?
Red Baron says:
yes...and tell him I'M NOT MOVING IT....lol
Puff says:
he's standing RIGHT next to it right now
Red Baron says:
ever since christmas...when i go by it....it's been moved...shifted...and
i'm not changing it...lol
Puff says:
its him moving it to show you he's there. he likes it, he says
Red Baron says:
oh...well tell him to quite hitting it...i'm tired of moving it back to
the
center of the window...lol
Red Baron says:
good boy...
Puff says:
lolol
Puff says:
NOW... just for proof, see after you started to think about Uncle John how
fast he came through? --- if bonehead had a dead sister and she loved her
as
much as she claimed, don't you think she'd come through also.
Red Baron says:
yup

That's really great - it's exactly the kind of thing I need.
Would you mind if I used it?

--- Well I'd prefer you not to, you should use your own, because using
mine isn't your connection, thus making you a fraud.

Sorry.
Is there some kind of spiritual medium copyright thing?
I've noticed that a lot of mediums have their own particular "thing"
Like a gimmick.
I suppose you're right - I should get my own.


Should I get this printed out and show it to my clients as
verification?

-- No learn how to get the info from the spirit and they will give you
the info for the client to validate.

I'm trying to do that, but at the moment, communicating with dead
people isn't really feasible for me, so I have to work around that
disadvantage somehow.

Is that the kind of verification you mentioned earlier?

-- no there was no validation there really, other then the vase on the
table, that particular client has had over 20 sessions with me -- we're
on a first name basis and her spirit that she speaks to comes just about
the moment she calls for him.

I'll give you an example of my latest reading - I was thinking of using
it as verification too.
I have got it right, haven't I - verifivcation is like a reference?

--- no a validation isn't a reference. a validation is what the spirit gives
to the living to prove THEY are in contact with them through you.

Yes, I know.
It's also how you get the client to believe you, right?
Sorry, but i'm a little slow sometimes.
That's probably why I haven't made much money at this yet.
Ideally, I'd love to jhave my own TV show and not have to mess around
with nickel and dime stuff.
I KNOW it'll never happen - but I can dream, can't I?



It's proof you aren't a fraud, and proof they are really talking to someone
dead.

Me" Your husband went very quickly, didn't he?"
Client - "No, he was very ill for about twelve years before he died,
bedridden for most of that time"
Me "Yes, but in the end.......He went very quick?"
Client"Oh Yes! In the end he did"

He's behind you now, he wants you to know that he forgives you for
forgetting to videotape the F.A Cup Final for him back in 1986"
Client "I don't remember doing that"
Me "I know, but he still forgives you, dear."
Client "That's amazing. <sniff>"

Me "I can see you crossing water"
Client "Yes! We scattered his ashes at sea, just like he wanted!"
Me " But not far enough from a sewage outlet, and he certainly doesn't
forgive you for that"
Client" Tell him I'm sorry"
Me "Lol! Of course, dear- he also wants you to know that he always
wanted a full set of"Ping" Golf Clubs, and he knows that there's a good
set going on ebay at the moment"
Client "But he never played golf!"
Me " I know, but since he's been on the "other side" he's taken it up
and loves it now. Says there isn't much else to do up there"
Client" Thank you - I feel as if you've brought my dear Alex closer to
me again"
Me "That's all right dear"


....Not bad for a newbie, eh?
---------------------------

Well if you want my honestly opinion? No, I didn't think it was very
good at all.

Look, I'm really new at this - I did the best I could under the
circumstances.
The woman I was doing the reading for wasn't very co- operative at
first.
I don't think it's as bad as you make out, but I appreciate your
opinion.


First off, lol don't know what movies you've been watching
but there isn't any golf where spirits are. That there would have been a
huge red flag for me.

You don't know that do you?
I'm sure there is recreation available on "the other side"
Good grief - eternity would be one hell of a boring place without it,
surely?

-- *IF* the sewage bit did happen, that could have
been said much nicer. -- I NEVER call my clients male or female, any
form of endearment - that just isn't professional. -- You weren't very
descriptive at all, with what could have been real info -- there was no
validation really.

How would you have done it?
Could you give me an example of the kind of things you would have said
instead?


Haven't quite got the expressions right yet but I'm getting there.
Tone of voice could do with a bit of improvement and I can't quite get
the hang of that monotone thing, with a slight condescension to it, but
I expect that'll come in time.
Don't know if I'll ever make it to the fast staccato delivery of John
Edwards - Boy! That man can talk fast!
---------

One doesn't have to talk fast to make a lot of money, being slow and
accurate is more important I feel in this line of work.. Spirits just don't
pop in for 5mins give you a lifetime of info and out they go.

Sure, but fast talking means you could go through clients quicker,
doesn't it?



This afternoon I had a client call in for me to help them. I explained to
them the process I have them go through to help me pick up on the spirits
energy they want to contact. Then when I begin to get the information coming
to me, I'll ask them certain questions and have them validate it. A short
sample
below..

*A woman requesting help to contact a child lost to miscarriage 15yrs prior*
The ONLY info I got from her, as I stopped her from telling me too much.

Me: During this time, there is no charge nor is there until we get a
validation, but this is how you help bring their energy forward for me.
Alright?
Me: Great, we'll leave the window open here and go ahead and start and in
about 5mins I"ll let you know, just kind of open a eye here or there and
see.. Then we'll get started.
Me: Okay Megano you ready?
Megano: YES I AM.
Me: Alright, now while we go through the validation parts, which basically
is the one you are contacting giving me information to let you know they are
actually there.. Now, there are times, that all I get are abstract pictures
that need to be interpreted.. So, we'll do the best we can when we come to
those and you aren't completely sure .. There also might be times, that I'll
tell you something they've said, and you'll not have a clue, but then
something a day or two later reminds you.. and you get the old' AH HA! So,
grab a piece of paper and pen also, so that you can write down what I tell
you, in case you need to recall it a few days later.
Megano: OK
Me: Alight, also, if I go silent don't worry, i'm here, just focusing on
what they are saying or showing me.
Megano: OK
Me: Another thing, most times you'll only need to give me a yes or no
answer, the less I know from you, the better off you'll be in knowing who's
coming through, ok?
Megano: OK
Me: The miscarriage, did it happen around your 4-5th month?
Megano: YES IT DID
Me: you know the sex of the child?
Megano: NO
Me: you have your suspicions correct?
Megano: YES
Me: you believe it was a boy correct?
Megano: YES
Me: you were correct.
Me: you had a male name picked out correct?
Megano: YES OK
Me: he's telling me it was like a "Ja" i'm getting more a Ja -- is there a
Jason, Joshua?
Megano: YES IT WAS JOSH OR JAMES
Me: he's excited - gimme a moment here
Me: what is it you'd like to say to him?
Me: yes, and he was also there listening to the stories when you read them
Megano: WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO HIRE YOU NOW?
Me: If you're validation that he's here has been made, feel free
Me: thanks..
Me: he wants you to know, he knows and he hears you at night and when you
pray for him.
Megano: YES I PRAY EVERYDAY FOR HIM
he also is there with you often - you have even thought you knew when he was
several times?
Megano: YES SOMETIMES I FEEL HE IS AROUND THE HOUSE
Me: the feeling you get is almost like being excited and then you get
chilled?
Megano: YES
Me: thats his energy you're picking up on

Me: did you have a small tan dog at one time?
Megano: YES
Me: yeah, kinda wirey?
Me: the dog pasted correct?
Megano: YES WE DID A TERRIER, YES YES


Me: he says, "show you life goes on" - do you understand?
Megano: YES

Me: he's telling me you're crying? nothing wrong with that. he wants you to
know he's happy, and not to worry so much about him, he's where he was
supposed to be
Megano: YES A LITTLE BIT IK THATS GOODOK PERHAPS IT GRANDFATHER
Megano: THATS GOODOK

Me: im picking up on another person there, but its not the other person, its
a male figure, older -- has your grandfather past? :) ok
Megano: PERHAPS IT GRANDFATHER

[now that part was funny, because as I typed in grandfather and hit send she
also hit send at that moment, thus validating
exactly who I was in contact with]

Me: he just wants you to know, he still loves you, and keeps an eye on you
when you need it -- do you understand? he said it with sort of a conviction
like he used to tease you about it ok. - do you understand?
Megano: OK YES HE USED TO TEASE THAT'S RIGHT
Megano: OK I'D BETTER GO NOW THANK YOU FOR THE READING

20 MINUTES and no doubt we could have gone on longer. -- As I gave her the
5mins before we started, I went and made
myself lunch, while I was preparing it, the boy came to me and started
chatting at that time.


And NO, you cannot use that session either, it was for your benefit to see
how an actual reading from someone
I've never spoken too received their info.. btw, here's what their comment
was after the session..

Comment:
Very good accurate information without cards and dates etc. Will speak to
again, highly recommended


defduk!@

Hey that's really great.
You've given me some fantastic ideas - things I'd nevet vthought about
before.
Don't worry, I won't steal you lines, but will it be OK if I just
change them around a bit and use them for myself?
there were some good things I picked up on here....mention that images
and messages are "abstract" ( leaves an "out" if I get something
wrong.....miscarriages generally occur in the 4th or 5th month...
always mention those months when I'm doing a "miscarriage job"....I
like the part where you told her that she prays for the child at night
- I would have never thought of that but I suppose it's
obvious......oh, yes.... and ALWAYS throw in a pet or a grandparent.
This is great stuff, defduk - EXACTLY what I am looking for.
Thank you for all your help and assistance - I really appreciate it.

.