Re: judge training


Celia Clarke wrote:
"LindaMcK" <LindaMcK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Celia Clarke wrote:
No becuase the master judge began her comments by saying it was a
good rhythmical walk so it would have been like pushing wter uphill
<sigh>

But it's such a fundamental thing. Surely if something seems so
glaring, you should question?

Did anyone ask the judge about it? Was it the judge
or a trainee that gave the 7?

Both, if she says its a good walk most would obviously give it at
least a 7 to show that they agreed.

Interestingly the flexion
became
the same later on (so in technical terms it was actually less
unlevel)
but this was only becuase the hindleg that had been flexing
correctly
became stiffer and flexed less as time wore on.

So the good one shortened up to match the bad one? That suggests
to me
that the shortness in step is due to being blocked rather than a
natural flaw (for want of a better word). Doesn't make it any
better,

OTOH it could be sign of incipient arthritis in the hock that
stiffended as walk progressed, certainly the degree of resitance did
not increase as time went on (in fact the horse became less resistant
on the whole). This would then possibly match with already athritic
changes in the already stiff hock so to mind not a good call
physiolo0gically -- and I think if I can do anything it is that I can
usually detect correctly was is due to the rider and what is due to
the horse (can't I Avril <ROFL>?)

Crikey, Celia, I certainly didn't mean to imply that you didn't know
whether it was down to horse or rider. I'm not sure I would know,
certainly until a different rider got on, or all rider's horses went
the same.

I don't know you and I don't know what you do or don't know - soz!

Another, very flashy, horse was up behind in all paces

What does "up behind" mean? Is that croup high?

Yes == also known as built downhill if a mature horse

and had very
soft
pasterns behind

Sorry to be a pain - I don't understand what this means either!
I'm
very much a "layman" kind of a gal!!

Much too sloping, weak and long -- the opposite of short and upright!

Would they be hard, then?

Thanks for explaining, though. Isn't dressage judging the movement
produced, though, rather than the conformation? I'm no knowledge by
any means on the subject, hence the questions.

[snip]
One liovely horse was certainly not allowed to be through as the
rider
hands very Anky piano hands, but even so some people gave her an
8,
whilst I was actually struggling to give her a 6 as IMHO almost
all
the
horse's problems were as a reult of her hands <sigh>

Did the horse present problems? It must have had 8s through it's
test
to have been considering an 8 rider mark?

No, it didn't but as the rider was present the audience probably felt
that it was impolite to mark her down. The horse's problem was that
it was consistently short i the neck in all paces (ie avoidingthe
contact) and with less Anky-hand that would not have been the case.

But the judge training sessions are entirely and exactly the place to
ask the questions. Otherwise the risk is that people go away thinking
that either they know nothing sob, sob or know it all and the system is
wrong? The rider should only be present on her horse doing the test -
she's not there for feedback and the training session is for the
trainee judges, not the guinea pigs, surely?

If nothing in the test neared an 8, why did the master judge feel the
rider deserved an 8? Did she comment on that at all?

Perhaps I'd be constantly asking questions and be asked to leave ;o)

Sounds like you had an interesting day out, though, with a variety of
guinea pigs. Are you on the list already, training for an upgrade, or
training for list? Well done you and thanks very much for posting.

Linda

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