Re: "All speeding unacceptable" - IAM

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:48:09 +0000, Ian Dalziel
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:36:32 +0000, Ed Chilada <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:18:05 -0000, "MrBitsy"
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:56:19 -0000, "MrBitsy"
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:07:15 -0000, "MrBitsy"
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:00:43 +0000, Conor <conor_turton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Well that completely overlooks the cases of NSL roads that've been
reduced to 40MPH for no apparent reason whatsoever

Do you believe that if the reason isn't readily "apparent", then there
must be no reason?

Perhaps there should be an online database where you can type in a
road name and it'll list all the accidents that have happened on that
road and perhaps also when a camera or speed restriction was added and
the justification for it.

I just watched an edition of road wars. An uninsured, drunk and underage
driver crashed into a wall while driving faster than the limit. The
reason
for the crash was given as 'speeding'.

If the driver had been insured, of driving age and stone cold sober
and done the same actions, what would the cause have been?


Do you agree or not? When you do one or the other, you can take the
discussion forwards.

Having not seen the video of the crash that you've seen then I can't
really give a confident opinion either way.

So, back to the question, if the driver had been insured, of driving
age and stone cold sober and done the same actions, what would the
cause have been?

Taking your evasive point of view

I'm not being evasive, I simply haven't seen the accident and I can't
possibly give any kind of opinion on the cause without seeing it. You
have seen it and seem very confident about questioning the stated
reason so I'm asking you about that.


I wouldn't know - that would be a completey different set of circumstances.

It's not "completely different", at all. Everything visually would be
*identical*. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only reason you know that
the driver was uninsured, drunk and underage is that the narrator said
so, yes? Nothing that you *saw* told you that, yes? So what if the
narrator hadn't said that. What would you have judged to be the cause
of the accident then?


Perhaps to look at it from the other angle, do you believe that if a
driver is over the limit then any accident they get into is a direct
result of being over the limit?

If caused by that driver then yes.

A child runs out into the road, the slower reactions means the driver
doesn't stop in time. What's the cause of the accident?

A child runs out in the road, a sober but speeding driver is unable to
stop in time. What's the cause of the accident?

A child running out into the road?

Indeed, in both cases the child is perhaps the catalyst. But also in
both cases the accident may well have been avoided if the driver
hadn't been drunk or speeding, making those factors a crucial
contributory cause of the accident. The way I posed the two examples
was to make Ray consider how differently he feels with regard to the
blame attached to a drunk driver versus a speeding driver.
.

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