Re: Gotta NIP

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:19:09 +0100, "Rob"
<rsvptorob-newsREMOVE@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Derek Geldard wrote:
||
|| OK Let's accept that because you have to employ people to do it & put
|| in place management structures to supervise them, provide sick and
|| holiday relief, coathooks and toilets etc it costs the ticket office
|| £12 to provide copies of the evidence to each and everybody who asks.

This is all irrelevant - the infrastructure is already in place and paid
for. We are talking about providing the photos along with the NIP as an
automated process, not to those who ask but to everyone. The cost would be
minimal, certainly nothing like £12 a time.


Be that as it may. The system has not been set up to do it. On Gatso
and Truvelo cameras the images, hundreds of them, are recorded on
rolls of 35 mill film. and the offence details are overlaid on the
images and transcribed manually. I would imagine the various speed
camera models use different formats. To have photos automatically
mailed out to everybody would require a custom hardware and software
solution, and we all know how expensive custom software is. ;-)

I re-iterate it would be pointless sending images out unless the
authorities are prepared to discuss/negotiate over them. TFL for
instance send out very poor monochrome images but the proceadure for
appealing takes no account of that, you cannot speak to anybody on the
phone and say for instance it's not my car you just have to follow the
appeals proceadure. You don't even get a day in court and it's TFL who
judge the appeal ...

|| If the fixed penalty is only £60 then that £12 is 20% of the ultimate
|| penalty. If the number of instances where actually seeing the
|| photograph could change anything *without going to a trial* is
|| vanishingly small (which it will be, I'd make a wild guess at say 3
|| per 1000, it's just a photograph with numbers on, and they tell you
|| what the numbers are) then the cost to the public purse cannot be
|| justified.

Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying anything taken from the
full £60 represents a drain on the public purse (ie. the taxpayer) - and
that the camera income is a tax?


Call it what you like. Extra money spent is extra cost.


||Those 3 per 1000 can go to court and the ticket office
|| saves 997 x £12.

And if 2 million ask and are refused, they save £24M I suppose?
Accountants - don't you just love 'em.

No 1 son does the IT in a sausage factory, the biggest one, do you
imagine the business is controlled by butchers ?

Derek

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