Re: MOTORISTS who smoke at the wheel are to be targeted

Ed Chilada wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:23:51 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed Chilada wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:12:50 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed Chilada wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:31 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed Chilada wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:23:08 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed Chilada wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:37:53 -0000, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ed Chilada wrote:

In your experience though. Other people may have entirely
different experience where getting 9 points and being scared
to speed makes them a better driver. Your mileage may vary,
although I'm sure you'll have a record of it...

Getting nine points and now being scared to exceed the speed
limit probably makes someone a slower driver. But how does it
make them a "better" driver?

They don't speed anymore and conform to the speeds that others
stick to. It's amazing that I have to explain this, it really
is.

I repeat, how does that make them a better driver.

The reason you keep repeating yourself is because you don't
understand the difference between legality and safety.

It's about conforming to the standards and behaviour that the
other road users ought to be able to expect.

A safe driver has no expectations, he operates on a moment by
moment basis.

Utter rubbish. You can't even drive down the street without at
least some expectation of how people are going to behave. When
you drive past a street with someone waiting to pull out and
they're looking right at you, don't you at least expect that
they'll stay where they are? Or do you slow right down to a crawl
in case they pull out?

I'm always ready in case they pull out.

Do you slow down at all? And do you honestly believe that there's
never a moment as you get close to and pass them where if they set
off, you wouldn't collide - you'd always be able to stop or avoid
the collision?

If I was as worried about it as you seem to be I'd walk everywhere.
In fact no, I'd stay at home and wrap myself in cotton wool, just in
case.

Which is of course what you have to do if you're operating without
expectations. Anyone could do anything at anytime yeah?


Yes, you *do* drive with expectations and it's reasonable to do
so.

Only someone who hasn't developed their driving skills beyond the
basic test would behave like that.

Utter garbage. Only someone wishing to argue for the sake of it
would claim they drive without at least making some assumptions
about what people are likely to do.

How do you know?

Because that's what you're doing. You're willing to claim any old
crap!


30mph in a 30mph area is still
the maximum drivers and pedestrians ought to be able to expect
of drivers on that road. Unfortunately since drivers can't be
trusted, the law has to step in to enforce it. Therefore the law
forces them to conform into being a better driver by sticking to
the right limits in the right places.

As I said, you don't understand the difference between legality
and safety.

Keeping saying it doesn't make it true. I notice how I make a
lengthy explanation but you don't seem to be able to find any
fault with it, just make this statement over and over.

Quantity is not a substitue for quality.

Indeed, so repeating yourself is unlikely to make it true.

It's you who keeps repeating your little mantra.

You keep asking but never understand...


I dunno as I can explain it to
you any clearer so perhaps you can point out which bit you're not
understanding?

I understand what you're writing perfectly well. As I said, it's
you who doesn't understand and as long as you go on confusing two
different things you never will.

You failed to find fault. Again. Retries are free though, so please
try again.

I told you your fault at the start. You fail to understand the
difference between legality and safety.

Explain how this claim of yours relates to what I've said and how it
highlights some kind of problem.

The failure to understand the difference between complying with the law and
being safe leads to attitude such as that is's OK to do almost anything as
long as one is within the speed limit (I'll admit to a miniscule amount of
exaggeration to make a point, but not very much) .


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