Re: Tax query

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David Taylor wrote:
JNugent <not.telling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:

The government could abolish VED and the PITA process of
obtaining it and we'd all be better off. ...

There are other, more persuasive, arguments for keeping road
tax at a significant rate.

There are no reasons for keeping road tax at a significat rate.
Wow. This debating thing is easy.

There are reasons for keeping road tax at its current rate, or
better still, for scrapping this nonsensical graduated system
and having just one rate of road tax for cars, like we... er...
used to have until recently. One of them would be trying to
keep down the number of vehicles garaged on the street (why
stop at two, or three, if more can be squeezed in at everyone
else's spatial expense?).
Even better, return to the one-rate system and introduce a
stinging supplement (measured in the hundreds of pounds per
annum) for anyone who cannot and/or does not park the vehicle
off the road at the keeper's address.

What if there's no off road parking at the keeper's address and
no physical possibility of creating any?

<sigh>

Let him rent some. Preferably off-street, but if it it HAS to be
on the street, then at least at an economic rent which reflects
the cost of provision and the cost of lost opportunity for
passing and re-passing over that part of the highway which we all
pay for. Highway space is a scarce commodity. It should not be
peremptorily commandeered for 15 hours a day. What other land
asset is provided free of charge to its (more or less) exclusive
users?

So you want to penalise people for no other reason than they happen
to live in a particular location?

What do you mean, "penalise"?

You've always struck me as sufficiently erudite that you would
understand such a common word. However, it's not unknown for me to
be mistaken.

It is your good self who is mistaken. You are using the word
"penalise" as a synonym for "charging for a purchase". It is not one.

No, I'm not. I used the word quite deliberately and in full knowledge of it's meaning.

Then you deliberately used it in a nonsensical way.

Asking people to pay for what they use is not "penalising" them. Am
I "penalised" by having paid more for a house with a garage and a
driveway than I might have paid for a flat-conversion in a terraced
street?

Ah, here we have it jealousy.

How about answering the question?

There is not question to anwer. Buying such a property was your decision, no one compelled you and now, just like others, you think everyone should be like you or suffer some penalty for failing so to do.

Not at all. Not everyone in a terraced house with no land adjacent to the highway has a car. Even some who do have cars don't park out front, either because there's a double yellow or double red line there (is *that* a "penalty"?), or because they have use of a garage elsewhere.

Charging someone for what they wish to use (whether by purchase or rent) is not a "penalty".

Am I "penalised" by having paid more for a house with a garage and a
driveway than I might have paid for a flat-conversion in a terraced
street? Isn't it rather than I am paying (still, even after all these
years) for what I have chosen to have and to use?

[BTW: The suggestion that I am "jealous" of people living in terraced
houses with no on-plot parking is absolutely feeble - I could easily
have the same if I wished to - but I don't.]

But you expect everyone else to be the same as you.

I don't. I recognise that different circumstances need to be treated differently. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is paying for that space - it ought to be the consumer of it.

Someone here the other day expressed shock at a quoted rent for a
council garage at £45 a month. That sounds cheap to me. The same
facility on the highway should be priced at several times higher
than it as an incentive to find a rented garage (and should
certainly cost at least as much as the differential in mortgage
interest terms between a house without parking and one with
parking).

It may come as a shock to you,but not all housing in the country
has the land available to provide off-road parking in the
vicinity, not because it's built on but because of the topography.

Indeed. In such awkward topography, the space on the road is usually
even more precious, not less.

And?

And it is a scarce resource with alternative uses [a resounding phrase
in economics textbooks].

Quite, one of those uses in parking the cars of the people who live alongside the road in question.

But not the only one. And not even the most important one.
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