Re: Ban cycle helmets for cyclists

On Jan 19, 11:32 am, Andy Leighton <an...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 01:29:34 -0800 (PST), ash <ash.fil...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:55 pm, Andy Leighton <an...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:46:02 -0800 (PST), ash <ash.fil...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 18, 12:56 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:50:42 -0800 (PST), thirty-six

<thirty-...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Assuming you are travellig over 40mph.   cyclists frequently ride at
below 6mph when climbing hills, the time they are generating the most
heat, ventilation reliant on natural convection does not work, expect

And if you don't wear one - exactly how do you know that they make
your head hot?

I have worn a motorcycle helmet, it is warm without being in the
height of summer, any exertion would make it unbearable.

Perhaps you should read the comments of people who have bought
reasonable helmets:

the helmet under discussion is a motorcycle helmet.

There are motorcycle helmets and their are motorcycle helmets. My
Carbon lid has very good venting. I have to keep them closed at this
time of year, my cheap and cheerful track-day spare lid doesn't and I
can feel the sweat forming after the first 20 minutes session.

What rubbish.  

On a motorbike you have a greater cooling effect from the speed you
travel.

Which has already been covered. No problem at speed, but a real issue
when moving at 20mph in slow traffic. You are forgetting that a
motorcycle engine produces a lot of heat and that engine is directly
below the rider.

On a motorbike you are not expending much physical effort - which produces
heat, a lot of it in some cases.

I'd beg to differ when doing track days. They are very physically
demanding
and even though you are moving at speed, are working very hard
fighting G forces under braking and cornering. Do you actuallyhave any
motorcycle experience or just going by your impression of what it is
all about ?

I'm talking about motorbikes on the road.  I don't have track
experience.  Sitting on a non-sporty motorbike and riding it around town
simply isn't as physically demanding as cycling at a reasonable speed or
up a hill.

If the bar was raised to the same level as what motorcyclists expect
and have been legislated for, then the manufacturers would respond and
give the cycling community what it expects for the money - performance
and style !

The majority of the cycling community doesn't expect and doesn't want
either of that.

I would say that is a fairly selfish outlook though. All vehicles
using the roads are bound by laws.

Yes but the law at the moment doesn't mention cycle helmets.  It was
you who brought up what the community expects and wants.

 Also I don't think it is possible for a company to
design helmets that are cool (in temperature) enough, and protective
enough, at a reasonable cost point.  If it was wouldn't one of the
companies have tried it already and made loadsamoney - after all who
would want one of the crappy old helmets when there is a new helmet
which doesn't overheat your head and has twice the protection of the
old helmets.

Do you know this for sure, and this is called 'progress'. The same
reason why we aren't seeing Model T Fords on the roads nowadays

Well ISTR that companies managed to progress the design of cars without
a lot of legislation - until recently.  Which kind of implies that it
was quite relatively easy to do so.  

Crash helmets don't last forever (see above) - The cclaim that
cyclists can't afford them is just rubbish.

Which is why I didn't make it.  I said that if a helmet could be
designed with the right thermal properties and weight and protective
enough then they had to be available for a reasonable cost.  It is no
good if the cheapest price they could sell it for was £200 for example -
far too much for most cyclists, especially as for some it isn't just
themselves that cycles but the entire family.

If they can produce Gold star m/bike lids for £40, this is comparable
to the lower end of the cycling scale, and offering much better
protection than a cycling lid.

All I hear is excuse after excuse. What you are effectively saying is
that you consider any cost of protection on your childs head too high
because you are too tight and because the stats say they are unlikely
to have their head caved in, that makes it OK - I hope you are right.


Cyclists are not at all
encumbered with the running costs of any motorised vehicle, and
average spend of a decent cycle is at least £500 as a starting point.

You can get a decent bike under that price - new.  If you go second-hand
definitely under that price.  Children's bikes are cheaper.  However
many people who ride don't have such machines.  Many people have cheap
bikes.  Many children have cheap bikes.  

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