Re: Cars are subsidised, unlike bicycles.
- From: "colin-reed@xxxxxxxxxxx" <colin.d.reed@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT)
On 16 Sep, 11:21, Matt B <matt.bou...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 15/09/2010 17:31, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:07:29 +0100, Matt B
<matt.bou...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 15/09/2010 07:51, Doug wrote:
On 14 Sep, 08:53, Matt B<matt.bou...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 14/09/2010 07:40, Doug wrote:
[On fuel tax]
whereas the tax is applied
to cover all the harm caused by its production, distribution and use.
The projected biggest users of that £30 billion tax-take for 2009/10 were:
28% for social protection
18% for the health service
13% for education
6% for defence
5% for public order& safety
4% for debt interest
How did you arrive at these figures as car tax is unhypothecated.?
Exactly! Fuel duty and the VAT on it (and road tax for that matter) all
goes into the same central pot, and that is how that pot was allocated..
28p of every £1 of tax collected (including that collected as fuel
duty) goes on social protection, etc.
What percentage was used to repair "the harm caused by its production,
distribution and use" do you suppose?
It would, of course, come out of general taxation in various ways and
would also include any expenditure which encourages car use and its
consequent fuel consumption.
Yes, but what percentage? It's not in the top 6 above.
The recent flooding in Pakistan, likely to have been caused or
exacerbated by Global warming,
Some may believe, or at least /like/ to believe that, yes.
It's pretty much accepted by climatologists that the El Nino/La Nina
cycle has influenced the heavy monsoons and subsequent floods in the
subcontinent in recent years, and that this cycle is due to global
warming. I think you're confusing, in your hint that people "/like/
to believe" this with what is the cause of the global warming.
for which car use is partially
responsible,
Possibly, if we assume that man, and in particular his release of CO2
from fossil fuels, has had any part to play in climate change/global
warming.
You are probably more right here than above, but "assume" is too
neutral a word. The growing body of evidence and majority scientific
view is a little bit more than an "assumption".
is likely to cost that country 6% of GDP.
The long term costs to the global economy of Global Warming is hard to
quantify - the human costs even harder, but Britain and other rich
economies would be well-advised to set aside a percentage of their tax
take to mitigate against future harm.
Absolutely, and we know from the Stern Review that British motorists
already pay several times the estimated assumed cost to the world
economy of the CO2 that they emit; in fuel duty and the VAT on it alone.
When we add the other taxes that motorists pay, and the immense value
of the benefits that car use bring to our society, we can see that the
source of such a reserve should certainly not be the activity of motoring..
Alternatively we could explore whether something that does not emit
the quantity of CO2 can be encouraged that would bring similar (or
greater) benefits to society. I agree that constantly taxing more for
the sake of it without any structured policy for alternative transport
is proving generally fruitless.
They need to look to sharing that burden equally and equitably amongst
the whole of society and not to scapegoat specific soft targets.
Cue obvious jokes about someone encased in 2 tonnes of metal cage
being seen as "soft"!
Colin
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Matt B
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