Re: Dozens of car fault death crashes finally being investigated at long last but not here.

On 17 Mar, 08:55, Derek C <del.copel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 17 Mar, 07:18, Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 17 Mar, 00:44, delboy <del.copel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 16 Mar, 18:36, Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 14 Mar, 08:13, delboy <del.copel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mar 14, 6:37 am, Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I suppose next you will be arguing that these faulty cars are not a
threat to cyclist safety?

Since the cars you are posting about are in Orange County, California,
USA, and this group is about UK cycling, I would very much doubt that
any of the vehicles in question will ever be of any concern to UK
cyclists.

The faulty, dangerous vehicles are being used worldwide and I have
little doubt that they are causing crashes here for which the causes
are going unreported thus far.

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Many millions of Toyota cars have been produced and only a handful,
mostly in the US, have allegedly 'run away' with their drivers or
failed to stop. Even then we don't how many of these were really
driver error in that litigation prone culture. As a precaution Toyota
are replacing the throttle pedals and reprogamming the computers in
the allegedly affected models.

Until the matter is satisfactorily resolved cars with potentially
dangerous faults should be removed from our roads and the
unwillingness to do so speaks volumes about a lack of real commitment
to road safety on the part of our authorities. Are you trying to claim
that below a certain number, any deaths and serious injuries caused by
these faults don't matter?

There are millions of bicycles on the road, a fair proportion of which
are ridden dangerously by totally unlicensed and untrained riders who
have a total disregard for other road users, their own safety, the
Law, the Highway Code and red traffic lights.

Bicycles are much less dangerous and likely to kill than cars. So,
according to you their faults are OK.

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So are all Toyota drivers supposed not to be allowed to go about their
daily business for several weeks, because of a one in several million
(alleged) problem that is being fixed anyway? You probably have more
chance of being hit by a falling asteroid than being struck by a
runaway Toyota!

Asteroids we can do little about, Toyotas we can. It should be self-
evident that vehicles with potentially lethal faults, however rare,
should not be driven on our public roads until they are fixed. In this
case there is also some doubt about the cause of the faults, which
means it may not be possible to fix them properly until the cause is
fully understood

The casual attitude towards these faults demonstrated on these NGs is
astonishing and makes me wonder is it applied to all car faults? Are
there loads of cars being driven around out there in a highly
dangerous condition which are ignored both by posters here and the
authorities?

The other alarming aspect is the attitude that as long as there are
only a few deaths caused by the faults then none of this really
matters at all and the whole thing should be just brushed aside as of
no consequence.

Then there is the reaction towards cyclists, where attention is
diverted towards their faults as a distraction, despite the fact that
they are much less dangerous or numerous than motorists. Fortunately,
the same argument used by the motorists here can be applied to
cyclists, i.e. they cause so few deaths that it really doesn't matter
one jot.

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If cyclists are so concerned about their personal safety and the
safety of others, including pedestrians, why don't they all wear
helmets, carry lights at night, and ride in a sensible and law abiding
manner?

By 'sensible' I take it you mean cyclists should remain subservient to
motorised traffic because of their vulnerability and also assume that
all drivers are semi-blind or naturally inattentive?

From what I witnessed when driving into central London last
Sunday evening, there is no chance of this happening, and the Police
are not enforcing the law when it comes to cycling offences because
they are too busy persecuting basically law abiding motorists, who are
much easier to identify, stop and fine!

No its because motorists are much more dangerous than cyclists. It
makes sense to target the most lethal first.

Cyclists are far more at risk from their own reckless behaviour than
they are from allegedly faulty Toyota cars!

They certainly are at risk but mainly from drivers generally and
faulty cars, which are allowed to be driven on our roads, do not help.

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