Re: A critical mass of bikers?

Doug wrote:
On 16 Mar, 19:14, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 16 Mar, 17:51, webreader <websiterea...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 16, 8:49 am, ashley filmer <ash.fil...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 16 Mar, 07:07, Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 15 Mar, 08:00, delboy <del.copel...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 15 Mar, 06:55, Doug <jag...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In what way is this any less of a nuisance to other road users that
the cyclists' CM?
"Thousands of bikers have riden through Wootton Bassett to honour the
people of the Wiltshire town and the soldiers killed in Afghanistan.
Each rider has paid £5 to take part, with the proceeds going to the
charity Afghan Heroes.
An estimated 15,000 bikers and pillion passengers congregated at
Hullavington Airfield in Wiltshire.
The first batch of 500 riders left at 1100 GMT to ride to Wootton
Basset via the M4 motorway.
The event lasted until early evening, with bikers leaving the airfield
at 30-minute intervals to make their way to Wootton Bassett.
About 10,000 riders registered to take part. They were accompanied by
some 5,000 pillion passengers..."
"...Ch Insp Owen Gillard of Wiltshire Police said the force was
working with the Ministry of Defence and Wiltshire Council to ensure
public safety, with police escorting the bikers and a helicopter at
the scene."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8566626.stm?ls
There is a big difference between an organised charity event and a
cyclists' critical mass event, that is designed to break the law and
get up everybodys' noses!
So anything done for charity makes it OK regardless?
Regardless of what. Have you even bothered to research the work of the
Afghanheros charity, or why it was set up Doug before you typed this
up ?
What about getting up Muslim's and pacifist's noses?
Are you a Muslim yourself as you are running the risk of being
offended on behalf of other people. As for getting up pacifist's
noses, The soldiers over there are so on the orders of the current
government which leftists like you voted for as was the case for Iraq.
It is in the interest of everyone to end the conflict there, but if we
withdraw our support for the elected government and local security
services, the Taliban will take hold once more, Al-Qaeda will resume
operations once more and we will see a massive increase in 9/11 type
attacks and suicide bombings on the streets of the western world.
The only reason
it allegedly didn't break the law is because it was authorised by the
war criminals who happen to have a stranglehold on this benighted
country.
Who would that be ? As far as I know, it was organised by civilians
(an 18 year old student, and a pensioner), and the lawful right of
assembly was then sanctioned (conditionally) by the local authorities
who put all sorts of safeguards and caveats in place to reduce the
inconvenience of those living in the area.
Some of the people of Wootton Bassett should be ashamed of
themselves for the way they repeatedly exploit wars for propaganda
purposes and I am sure their remainder feel as uncomfortable about it
as I do.
You obviously don't live there so what would you know of how they
feel ? As for feeling ashamed for the way they exploit 'wars', they
come out in force weekly to pay their respects in silence to the
victims of war. You just don't seem to get this bit. Would you rather
they look the other way and pretend that this reality is just
ignored. Your reasoning is totally flawed.
Anyway, I don't see any difference in the way inconvenience is caused
to those who want to pass and repass on public roads except that the
bikers were far more numerous and bulky than CM cyclists.
Each convoy of 500 bikes were escorted by police outriders to direct
it along the marshalled route and they set the pace as to not
deliberately inconvenience others. Of course you wouldn't take anyones
word for it, so why not see it from a riders perspective. You can see
the pace of the group in this video shown here >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbsjZMoPVrM&feature=related(scroll
forward to 4 minutes when the group leaves the airfield and join the
main road) As you can see, traffic is flowing freely in both
directions and at a reasonable speed, and there is NO deliberate
attempt to obstruct by the group as opposed to a critical mass meeting
shown here which has deliberately blocked the entire junction in what
looks like rush hour traffic to get their bongo's out (WTF is that
about ??) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4cN2mq0uo&feature=related
.
You and your critical mass chums live in a fantasy world where you
abuse the right to assemble to further your own selfish aims. This is
one reason why cyclists as a group will struggle to garner any respect
- because you give none!
--
UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's war regime.
Well I've just looked at the video & it would seem that Doug is right.
I can see the problems that they caused to other road users, the video
shows thousands of cars being held up all over the place, some of
these motorists had even stopped trying to drive & were seen at the
edge of the road waving there arms about in anger.
Some of the local residents were so annoyed that they hung the St
Georges flag out in protest.
I lost count of the number of bikers who jumped red lights , rode the
wrong side of keep left signs & rode on the pavement.
Did you see how many of them blocked other trafffic on purpose
WSR
BTW good choice of music
You can't tell me that 10,000 bikers riding in large groups didn't
knowingly cause traffic holdups.
So far the evidence suggests that they did not, & even if they did, you
seem to have missed the part about escorted by police.

Yeah I've already got that bit as it used to apply to CM. It seems its
OK to impede the right to pass and repass as long as the police are in
attendance. Though quite why this should be so eludes me.
So they had a cause and cyclist's CM
has a cause or causes. So what? BTW, CM is not illegal,
But what it does is.

No what some riders do and no doubt this can also be applied to some
bikers and it certainly applies to 'car cruising'.

We are at last getting somewhere, you agree that some on CM break the law.

it has been
authorised by the Law Lords no less. Just because a few of them might
break some traffic laws in passing,
Well at last you admit that cm break laws.

Nope. Some cyclists break laws, as do some motorists and some bikers.

See above.

and how do you know for sure some
of the bikers didn't?
I didn't see them break laws, I have seen cm break laws, you have even
posted videos of them doing it.

So you reckon a ride of 10,000 bikers didn't break any laws at all,
not even a teeny bit?

Not from what I have seen, it is possible, but I did not notice it.


No its plain to see that only those who are motorised may interfere
with 'the right to pass and repass' on our public roads
Not true, but you always spout the same rubbish.

Well that seems to be what you and other apologists are trying to
maintain here. You have made excuses for the bikers and excuses for
the car cruisers.

I have made no excuses for car cruisers, in fact I don't think I have made any comment on them.

and find
favour among the motorists on these newsgroups.
How is it that you missed the cyclists who have moaned about CM on this
ng, I know they are not real cyclists are they.

They are mostly also motorists.

So you can't be both? (I know at the same time is dificult)

I also suspect that they have a
compliant attitude towards authority, as some people do.

You mean they don't break the law.

Don't forget,
this NG is dominated by motorists and is not necessarily
representative. Many real cyclists would not be bothered to post here
knowing the sort of reception they would get, such as being called
scum and lycra louts, etc.

I don't recall calling any cyclists scum or lycra louts. although it might be true of some.

Cyclists mustn't dare
to do it must they, if they don't want to get deliberately rammed that
is.

You managed to get the *R* word in, I wondered how long it would take.

It is indicative of how some drivers intentionally respond violently
towards harmless cyclists,

A cyclist that runs a red light on a pedestrian crossing is not harmless.

and especially CM, using their car as a
weapon while the cops turn a blind eye..

--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist"



--
Tony Dragon
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