Re: the other place

"Ian Smith" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Oct, Clive George <clive@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Ian Smith" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Appealing the decision does not result in a win. I don't want to
participate in a group where the posting I made is not acceptable,
and I don't want to participate in a group where acceptable postings
get rejected on a whim and you need to fight through an appeal to get
it into the group. That's a lose-lose game I don't want to play.

No, it does result in a win. If you win that one, you win the
future ones too.

I don't see that. That is, I don't understand the basis for claiming
that if an appeal of this decision gets the decision overturned, then
"you win the future ones too".

Because then similar posts in the future won't need to have appeals made for
them, since they won't get rejected in the first place - the idea is that
the moderators are learning what is appropriate, and are trying to not
repeat mistakes.

(isn't that _really_ obvious?)

On the contrary, it is within your power to help mend it. People know
the
moderation policy needs refining - help them.

Unfortunately, the tone of every communication I have received from
the moderators is one of "stuff you" ("specious", "tedious", "no
longer of any interest", the whole 'mistakes were made' being treated
as a magic cure-all). For goodness sake, even the messages on the
moderator list MTA are surly - "Site not yet trusted, try later
[Irritated]". If that's their tone, I'm quite happy to shove it back
up'em, but I don't want to invest any more effort.

Not even the minimal effort required to post your appeal on
uk.net.news.moderation?

They want exclusive use of the toys, they can have them. That's not
being petulant, that's a pragmatic recognition of priorities.

(restoring context - the "original premise" I'm talking about in here:

So, something is broken and beyond your capability to fix. It is not
(on any sensible scale) very important. Is it sensible and rational
to invest effort continuing to play with it, or is it rather more
rational to throw it away?

end restore)

If you conclude that it makes more sense to throw it away, does
someone crowing that you're throwing your toys out of the pram look
like the voice of reason?

In this case, yes, because your original premise is wrong.

Actually, of course, "no", because IF you have decided it makes sense,
such a person will not look like the voice of reason. I assume you
actually mean that it's not correct to conclude that it makes more
sense to throw it away?

Ok, fair enough, if you've convinced yourself you're being picked upon, even
if you've got no valid reason for that, then somebody making toys/pram
comments won't look like the voice of reason. I rather hope you're not that
person though - are you claiming to be?

Yes, this is pointing out once again that it is not beyond your capability
to fix. It may be beyond your desire, but that merely indicates you don't
want to put even a miniscule amount of effort into making the NG work.

In this thread alone you've expended more than a simple appeal would have
done, and to less effect. Are you sure your analysis of priorities and
expenditures is accurate?


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