Re: Safety in Numbers

On 10 Sep, 11:48, Mike Clark <m...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In message <a3d607a3-903d-4633-ba2c-3b6986086...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
          Toom Tabard <t...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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But, since you refer to populations, does that safety assertion about
walking hold when comparing the age and fitness range of the cyclist
population with the figures for pedestrians of the same age and
fitness, and in the places where most people walk?

It's clear that there are age related factors that affect many risks in
life. For example young men are much more at immediate risk of death
from violence than older men, whilst older men are more at immediate
risk from disease. Sure, the individual risk varies over time, but do
you really think that there is such a huge difference in the risks from
cycling verses walking that it must all be accounted for by a huge
difference in the age and fitness of the participants (given that the
calculated risk at a population level is not very different)?


All I'm saying is that you can't judge your relative safety when
cycling and walking by looking at statistics which cover significant
categories who are particularly vulnerable to accidents as pedestrians
and for the same reasons are unlikely to be cyclists.

In the UK only a minority of people regularly cycle these days,
but in some other countries such as Denmark the percentage of cyclists
is much higher, and thus the population that cycles is similar to the
population that walks. I'm not aware that the data from Denmark is
markedly different when comparing risks for pedestrians versus cyclists,
as compared to the UK.


But that introduces the factors of social attitudes, road law, and
road and path cycling provision in the other environment.

Toom

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