Re: Is there bike snobbery?

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One of the essential tennets of what we do is that it is entirely
self
powered. Totally self powered. You do it by fitness, strength,
skill
and determination (and baked beans on toast. Lots of.)

So it's not possible to have the same fun by leaving out the *totally*
self
powered bit how? Electric Assist cyclists can show those
characteristics
and
we have bneen known to eat baked beans.

Any exception to that is cheating.

Says who and why if time penalties are imposed?

A motor and energy store, of any description, breaches that.
It alters the essence of what we do.

If getting unassisted excercise is the essence of what you do then you
wouldn't mind doing it in a gym on a spinning machine?

after a challanging ride, for me part of the fun in the achivement of
what i did. now yes i made the odds easyer for me, good tires, i
selected the right gears, the right line up etc. but the point is "I"
did it, i wasn't assisted. this is a fundmentable point.

My take on that is that 'I' choose to ride a bike with motor included. I
still have to pedal but the motor helps, if it's not about what helps
then
why bother modifying the tyres or selecting the right gear? It's just the
extent of the help that seems to be in question to me and this can be
dealt
with fairly with time penalties etc.

that fair enought your bike, but it's electic scooter or at simplist a
motor bike. which has no place with a bicycle race, the fact that it
shares some parts with bicycles doesn't mean that it is one. it is one
of the legion of low powered motorbikes that have and do exist.

Not sure what your saying there but if it's that electric scooters or motor
bikes have no place in bicycle racing I agree. I also agree that a scooter
and a motor bike are quite different to a bicycle (which includes the power
assisted variety).

You wouldn't be allowed to enter the world stair-climbing
championship
if you intended to bring you own battery powered escalator, would
you?

The fact that you modified and maintained the escalator yourself
would
be an irrelevance.
Allowing a head start to those using conventional stairs doesn't
make
any difference.
The fact that you can walk up as well as being carried, or that the
escalator doesn't move unless you're also walking really is neither
here
nor there.

Although thats a silly example to start with, I disagree, it would be
very
relevant if exercise was still required to operate the device. That
would
keep thos who're in it for the exercise happy while at the same time
satisfying those who take pride in their engineering know-how to come
up
with the best power assisted elevator.

and a waste for a sport as your not climbing to the top your being
assisted, the point the esseance of most sports is what you can do.
certinaly in the human powered ones such as cycling, running etc.

And part of 'what you can do' is to take advantage of technology when it
helps.

sure i could use a modern superbike stuffed to the gills with technology
it would some how be rather differnt.

But then there would be adverse impacts on other riders from the noise and
exhaust, not to mention a massively unfair power advantage, not something
you get with electric assist bicycles.

<snip>
There are legal definitions for what constitutes an electric bike -
see
AtoB
at the bottom of this page here:
http://www.atob.org.uk/questionselectric.htm

yup so not far from a old moped desgine then.

A world apart and to say otherwise is to get it massively wrong.

old mopeds where very like bicycles, and used a dual peddal and motor
system. very much what a eletric bike is.

Well you cant have seen or ridden a Giant Twist electric assist bike then,
they're very different things in so many ways.

Paul M


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