Re: Cyclist hit and runs - what is the answer?

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:16:03 +0000 (UTC), "p.k."
> <spam.trap100.remove@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said in
> <dou6n3$t3$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> The stopping distances referred to (HC 105) relate to distances
>> between moving cars. to use the same rule in relation to (say)
>> pedestrians stepping of pavements or seeing stealth cyclists is
>> wrong, intellectually dishonest and deliberately distorting.
>
> Bzzt! Wrong. Rule 105 makes no reference at all to moving cars. It
> says you should be able to stop well within the distance you can see
> to be clear. It's always said that, give or take the odd word. I
> have heard Plod telling some clueless old bat who drove into a fallen
> tree exactly that.
>
> Of course, some drivers like to /interpret/ it as meaning the distance
> you can't see to be occupied, or some other variant, but what it
> /actually/ says is "well within the distance you can see to be clear".
> It is, to my reading, quite unambiguous.

Simply stating someting to be so does not make it so Guy, Try reading it
again and look at the accomanying pictures.

the reference to moving traffic is clear and unambiguous hc105 is a guide
about stopping distances in movign traffic.

HC section in full

Stopping distances


105: Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the
distance you can see to be clear. You should

a.. leave enough space between you and the vehicle in front so that
you can pull up safely if it suddenly slows down or stops. The safe rule is
never to get closer than the overall stopping distance (see Typical Stopping
Distances diagram below)
b.. allow at least a two-second gap between you and the vehicle in
front on roads carrying fast traffic. The gap should be at least doubled on
wet roads and increased still further on icy roads
c.. remember, large vehicles and motorcycles need a greater distance
to stop.




Use a fixed point to help measure a two second gap

Typical Stopping Distances



20
MPH
6 metres 6 metres = 12 metres
(40 feet)
or 3 car lengths

30
MPH
9 metres 14 metres = 23 metres
(75 feet)
or 6 car lengths

40
MPH
12 metres 24 metres = 36 metres
(120 feet)
or 9 car lengths

50
MPH
15 metres 38 metres = 53 metres
(175 feet)
or 13 car lengths

60
MPH
18 metres 55 metres = 73 metres
(240 feet)
or 18 car lengths

70
MPH
21 metres 75 metres = 96 metres
(315 feet)
or 24 car lengths

Thinking Distance
Braking Distance
average car length = 4 metres




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