Re: Inquest results
- From: "Andy R" <andrewr@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:00:42 +0100
"Dave" <nomail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Andy R wrote:Yep, hands up, I read this report some time ago and didn't read much of it
"Surfer!" <surfer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/5094056.stm
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/G-FORS%203-06.pdf
Original report:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/4581851.stm
Sounds to me like the instructor was more interested in showing off his
questionable ability than teaching the guy to fly. Since IIRC far more
people die from being unable to recover from an intentional spin than die
from an inadvertent one I can't see the point in spinning anyway. To
devise your own type of 'oscillatory' spin and then demonstrate it to
ab-initio students seems to me ludicrous and, certainly in this case,
dangerous.
During 'normal' flying IMHO the place you're most likely to get in a spin
is too near the ground to expect to recover anyway. Time spent teaching
avoidance and recovery at or before the incipient stage beats wasting
time spinning for the hell of it.
And yes, I was 'taught' spinning by a chap who was also very interested
in showing me how good he was. He also died a few years later in an air
accident, pushing his luck.
Rgds
Andy R
What additional information do you have to justify your judgement that one
of the people who died was "showing off" or had devised their "own type of
oscillatory spin (sic)"?
again when responding to the o/p:-(
I was confusing this with another report about a spinning accident therefore
a lot of what I wrote doesn't apply to this.
The report says the instructor was "conscientious".It also said the oscillatory manoevre was unnecessary and inappropriate and
no reference to it could be found in the UK PPL syllabus. Therefore, why
was he doing it?
Whilst I have never heard the manouevre called "oscillatory stalling"But not to ab-initio students.
until this incident, the practice of picking up a dropped wing with rudder
used to be widely taught and is probably the same as the classic "falling
leaf" manouevre that's been known since about 1915 and is still taught on
handling courses.
On your comment about spin training ... it has the same benefits as anyWe'll have to agree to differ on whether spin recovery training is necessary
other training: it develops handling skills, improves airmanship and makes
people better pilots who are more aware. Someone who has read about spin
recovery but has not been trained is unlikely to recover if they need to
do so. Like everything else in life it carries risk and like everything
else in life we manage the risk.
or statistically likely to save more lives that it takes.
And on the final comment about your own instructor: "very interested inThe very fact that I haven't given you any clues as to who he was negates
showing <you> how good he was" and "died ... pushing his luck"; you
obviously have no qualms about denigrating the reputations of those that
can't fight back.
your last point.
Rgds
Andy R
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